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Day b4 Gdt | but I guess this cld turn into a Gdt so lets run wit it Ima be in the corp zone tmr & if u squint and pull out a telescope ull see my coc

GeneralT001 said:
I get what you are saying...I'm just fed up with the never ending excuses.
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lol, why are you struggling so much with "judged too sick to play by doctors"?

GeneralT001 said:
Aren't most of the seats in that arena corporate?
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Sure, but the price increases are worth tons, the advertising rates are based on eyeballs and not bums in seats, jersey sales, etc, etc, etc. I get that people at home don't want to really hear this, but elite professional athletes are underpaid in comparison to their on ice/field impact and the economics of it all. Sports is big business and the top 1% of athletes are who generate the majority of the value. Free Market Matthews is 30 million dollar a year hockey player at minimum. But salary caps and poverty teams and league monopolies (a very regulated, confined marketplace for his skills) lands us here.
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, I rest my fucking case. No offence mate, but you've done entirely ordinary things, but believe them to be extraordinary, and then port that experience over into a belief that you understand what you just have no frame of actual reference for. An unkind way of describing that would be to call it "delusional", but I'm not unkind so I'm not going to call it that.

These guys have spent more or less every day of their lives committed to being the best in human existence at a craft millions of people try to get good at, and they've achieved it. As part of my professional life I spend a lot of time around elite minor hockey players and families. It's complete family level commitment from age 4-5 onward to get where they are, and people who are soft in the head just don't make it there.
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Relax, you won't hurt my feelings. I've lived long enough to be anything but delusional. You are putting these boys on a pedestal and thats never a good idea.
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, I rest my fucking case. No offence mate, but you've done entirely ordinary things, but believe them to be extraordinary, and then port that experience over into a belief that you understand what you just have no frame of actual reference for. An unkind way of describing that would be to call it "delusional", but I'm not unkind so I'm not going to call it that.

These guys have spent more or less every day of their lives committed to being the best in human existence at a craft millions of people try to get good at, and they've achieved it. As part of my professional life I spend a lot of time around elite minor hockey players and families. It's complete family level commitment from age 4-5 onward to get where they are, and people who are soft in the head just don't make it there.
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Btw... I have 2 daughters. One was a national level gymnast (impressive stuff) and the other is in University on a hockey scholarship. So, I'm not totally without some experience in the area...not that I would ever, ever compare womans hockey to mens mind you :)
 
You're too quick to buy into the narrative that "the doctor" pulled him from the game. Hasn't this team lied to you enough by now that you take anything they say with a huge grain of salt? I'd be more willing to believe them if they simply said that 34 suffered a sprained vagina.

Your core 4 are FUCKING GARBAGE in games that matter. Always have been and always will be. The Leafs will NEVER win a Cup with these clowns leading the way. You keep talking "Fire Keefe", "Fire Treleving", "Fire, fire, fire". You NEVER address the real problem. You never address the 4 headed elephant in the room. Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares. These four players, after mid-April, are GARBAGE.

But Auston scored 69 goals. I don't give a shit.

But Willy had 99 points. Again, I don't give a shit. And neither should you because regular season stats are bullshit. The only fucking thing that matters is Cups. You want to be a great regular season team that embarrasses itself in the playoffs? Cool. Keep doing what you've been doing. Keep buying those 34 jerseys. Fuck, have a parade down Bay Street to celebrate Matthews' Rocket Richard Trophy for all I care. But if you have any interest whatsoever in winning more than 1 playoff round every 20 years, you need to bust up the core 4 and start over.

If these humps were ever going to win anything they'd have done it by now. 8 years is enough. Stop the madness and tear it down.

Seacrest out
 
GeneralT001 said:
You are putting these boys on a pedestal
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The pedestal I'm putting him on is that he's one of the absolute best in the world at something millions of people tried to be the best in the world at. You massively undervalue the amount of mental strength required to get there. That's a guy who was hanging out at the rink 12 hours a day trying to get reps in while we were out playing street fighter at the arcade and trying to fingerbang girls.
 
GeneralT001 said:
So, I'm not totally without some experience in the area
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I just spent the weekend at an event surrounded by the best 12 yr old hockey prospects in north america, and that was after 3 weeks of being around the rinks at tournaments featuring at least a handful of future NHL'ers. I'm not totally without experience in the area either. But I don't think that arms length experience provides me with an accurate window into the mind/mental makeup of the actual elite.
 
MindzEye said:
The pedestal I'm putting him on is that he's one of the absolute best in the world at something millions of people tried to be the best in the world at. You massively undervalue the amount of mental strength required to get there. That's a guy who was hanging out at the rink 12 hours a day trying to get reps in while we were out playing street fighter at the arcade and trying to fingerbang girls.
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If they were the absolute best they'd be winning this series. Clearly the Bruins are more absolutely best than the Leafs are

Bottom line: 34, 16, 88, and 91 need to go. All of them. Nothing changes until that happens.
 
I’ll be honest. I’m in the middle here. I think we have to give these guys the benefit of the doubt but it’s kind of hard to believe and there’s a reaffirming element to these guys missing time in the playoffs because they’re not feeling well.

It’s basically unheard of in hockey (wrongly, to be fair) for this to happen and not only is it happening here but with two of the top four players on a team that’s built itself around four guys more so than any other team in the league… and four guys who have cultivated a reputation for being soft as shit when it counts.

I guess what im getting at is it’s leafy as fuck and fuck all 4 of these guys.
 
MindzEye said:
I just spent the weekend at an event surrounded by the best 12 yr old hockey prospects in north america, and that was after 3 weeks of being around the rinks at tournaments featuring at least a handful of future NHL'ers. I'm not totally without experience in the area either. But I don't think that arms length experience provides me with an accurate window into the mind/mental makeup of the actual elite.
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U might wanna take it easy with posting about u hanging out with a bunch of kids.
 
MindzEye said:
I just spent the weekend at an event surrounded by the best 12 yr old hockey prospects in north america, and that was after 3 weeks of being around the rinks at tournaments featuring at least a handful of future NHL'ers. I'm not totally without experience in the area either. But I don't think that arms length experience provides me with an accurate window into the mind/mental makeup of the actual elite.
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They are human beings like the rest of us. Personally, I'd say being a pro golfer is a hell of a lot more stressful than a hockey player.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Yeah, i was baffled by your classification of the golfer.

That was my issue.

I cant believe the amount of time some people have spent engaging this league of boomers
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It is our duty to educate the misinformed. It is not their fault that they are uneducated. We can only issue guidance and they can do what they choose with it.
 
Preston said:
I am very happy for you if you haven't been sick enough to truly understand what it's like to be sick enough to be pulled from an NHL game. But I can confirm that men can indeed get ill. I can also confirm that there is a 4 year old virus around that is known to drain everything you have for many (not all) people who contract the illness and throughout history there haven't been many players who actually played with the illness while symptomatic. And being physically fit does not have any correlation on how your immune system handles the acute phase and if anything being physically active can be counterproductive and lengthen the symptomatic period.

Call him a bitch for game 1 or years past if you must, but blaming him for getting sick is simply irrational whether he deserves the benefit of the doubt or not. And imo he does... Of all of them, he's the one that I've never questioned his work ethic or desire to win. I don't think many of us have. Even in game 1, the effort was there.
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mbow30 said:
I’ll be honest. I’m in the middle here. I think we have to give these guys the benefit of the doubt but it’s kind of hard to believe and there’s a reaffirming element to these guys missing time in the playoffs because they’re not feeling well.

It’s basically unheard of in hockey (wrongly, to be fair) for this to happen and not only is it happening here but with two of the top four players on a team that’s built itself around four guys more so than any other team in the league… and four guys who have cultivated a reputation for being soft as shit when it counts.

I guess what im getting at is it’s leafy as fuck and fuck all 4 of these guys.
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I completely understand the frustration, but where I struggle with it is when I compare their performance to other similar players performances, their performances are largely in line. Now, fuck Tavares all day long, I'm good with that part. But that shows in his overall performance. I think he's at something like a 50 point pace as a Leaf in the playoffs. Fire darts at that shit all day, it's deserved.

Toronto is the only place where the expectation is that 3 guys need to carry us to every win. Every loss is their fault. .883 goaltending? Why can't Auston score more goals to overcome it? Pussy. Defence can't get the puck up the ice? Would be fine if Nylander just went into the corners harder!

We've continued to build dogshit teams around these 3 and then it's their fault when they can't overcome the weight of organizational mistakes.

This is our lineup last night without them

Domi-XXXXXX-Bertuzzi
Knies-Tavares-XXXXXX
Jarnkrok-Holmberg-XXXXX
Robertson-Kampf-Reaves

Rielly-Lybushkin
Benoit-McCabe
Edmondson-2024 Brodie

Samsonov

That's amazingly bad. Incredibly.

- 1st line is 2 pretty solidish middle 6 wingers who can exist on a first line because the guy in the middle is awesome and only because of that. But one of the other decent 1C's in the playoffs in the middle of that...Domi-Zbad-Bert. Dreadful 1st line.

- 2nd line is fucking terrible as well. Tavares is a 3C at 5v5 at this point in his career. Knies isn't a top 6 forward yet. Again, drop in a random 2RW there and it looks like a horrible 2nd line

- Holmberg gets a bit of a mulligan because we don't actually develop our own talent until we're forced to play them in positions they might not be ready to out of sheer panic...but he's not exactly a top tier 3C (which is cool I guess, Keefe plays him on his 4th line most of the time ffs). Jarnkrok is a master of (as I think you put last night) doing nothing really fast. But we knew he was entirely invisible in the playoffs. Despite that, kept him for whatever reason.

- What is that 4th line actually trying to be? I love Robertson as a young player/prospect but his skill is wasted there. Kampf is fine as a true 4C (not the matchup 3C Keefe tries to use him as 80% of the time) and Reaves is a 13th forward on a AHL team.

- The blueline...fucking woof. 4 guys who could easily be out of the league in the next 18 months. and I mean easily.

- and in net...speaking of guys who could easily be out of the league in 18 months.....


But 3 guys are supposed to continually save us from that or they're deeply flawed, shit, etc.

Let's do the same exercise with a healthy Colorado. Take Mack, Rantanen, and Makar out


Drouin-XXXXXX-XXXXXX
Nicushkin-Mittelstadt-Lehkonen
Wood-Colton-Parise
Cogliano-Trenin-Kiviranta

Toews-XXXXX
Girard-Manson
Johnson-Walker

Georgiev

- Drouin is similar to what we're running next to our star centre, but only asking him to carry one of those guys, not two and we know he's not asked to do it alone

- That 2nd line is just really good. Nicushkin is a 1st line winger playing on the 2nd line. We don't have anyone in our forward group comparable to him outside of our stars. I argue Lehkonen is also better than anyone we have aside from the 3 as well and at 5v5 I take Mittelstadt over Tavares as well. Shit, that's probably a better 2nd line than ours even if you inject whichever star RW of ours you want there.

- Ross Colton is just a really good 3C. Fast, can chip in offence, miserable to play against. We have no depth forwards better than him.

-....that blueline, even without Makar has a #1, and 3 other legit top 4 guys. Rielly is the only guy on our blueline who makes their top 4, and McCabe is the only other one who makes that top 6.

That's a pretty solid team if you just slot random appropriate players into those XXXXX's. Take out Mack/Rantanen/Makar and put in something like Kopitar/Fiala/Doughty and that's still a really solid team. Not a contender, but a solid playoff team. 100+ points.

Do that to our group....Kopitar/Fiala/Kempe. We'd be shit.
 
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