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Four Nations

MindzEye said:
It didn't. It disappeared for almost 400 years and was brought back by people specifically attempting to recreate it for the purpose of fulfilling the prophecy, and we're almost 80 yrs deep into it's recreation and nada.
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Agreed...but God promised to keep a remnant, as per His promise. Prophecy will fulfill itself without any effort from us. God will do His will.
 
Cal Gal said:
Interesting book, dude, but not my (or many others') road map.
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The next time you're wondering if what you just posted belongs in a different thread, remind yourself that the last 3 pages of this thread about...checks notes...the 4 Nations tournament...has essentially devolved into a political/theological debate over the existence of God and whether or not Trump is the Messiah.

Because "hockey".
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
The next time you're wondering if what you just posted belongs in a different thread, remind yourself that the last 3 pages of this thread about...checks notes...the 4 Nations tournament...has essentially devolved into a political/theological debate over the existence of God and whether or not Trump is the Messiah.

Because "hockey".
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Well, its been a long haul til Thursday. :)
 
GeneralT001 said:
The end of days prophecies are specific to this era,
GeneralT001 said:
so they cannot have already been fulfilled (Ezekiel 37 for example - the valley of dry bones).
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Countless christians have claimed this about their lifetimes for thousands of years now, including most importantly the first christians who were directly told that the end days would happen in their lifetimes.

Unless you are aware of some dates in the bible naming the early 2000s as the end of days? (note: god specifically says in the bible that nobody will know the time).

GeneralT001 said:
Was it nastier back then? Supposedly we are a more "enlightened" generation, relative to them, and yet we have 2 World Wars (with the holocaust) under our belts. The butchery of Hamas - cooking babies alive - untold millions of aborted babies (which is akin to child sacrifice of old). How many wars raging in the world right now (40-50). I could go on but to say we are a better world is a very long stretch.
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much much nastier back then, yes. in contrast to back then, when human civilization was always at war with each other everywhere, where diseases wiped out massive swaths of the population on a regular basis, where most of humanity survived in near starvation, where rape and murder and violence were a daily part of life, nowadays the vast majority of humanity live their entire lives far from any wars, famine has been wiped out, we are far healthier and longer lived than ever, and the concept of human rights and rape laws are the rule of thumb over most of the globe.


GeneralT001 said:
It is more rational to believe that an immortal God exist than to believe that nothing can come from nothing. The complexity and precision in nature points to a Divine hand. God expects any thinking mind to come to that realization on their own.
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You believe God came from nothing. You're accusing yourself of being irrational.

And there's nothing in nature that requires a divine explanation, and most every thing that humans thought needed a divine explanation has turned out to have a simple scientific one.
 
GeneralT001 said:
2. Creation has a plan. God does not do anything without reason. That we are not allowed to know more than we do is not by accident. "The Heavens above declare the glory of God". Nature alone should be enough to see that God exists. Btw al least 70% (probably more) believe in a God. This desire to believe or at least contemplate God is hard wired into us. No avoiding it.
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as far as i can see, the plan is something like: "I will create this massive huge near limitless universe all for this one tiny species on one little rock in one tiny corner of the cosmos and will give them a few thousand years to prove that they can blindly believe in me and act against every natural urge i built into them, despite never showing my face to them and despite subjecting them to a lifetime of pain, suffering, and doubt.......and for the billions who don't blindly believe in me I will condemn them to an eternity of far more excruciating pain and suffering, and for the select few who do blindly believe in me they are rewarded with an eternity of singing my praises."

Sound about right?
 
zeke said:
Countless christians have claimed this about their lifetimes for thousands of years now, including most importantly the first christians who were directly told that the end days would happen in their lifetimes.

Unless you are aware of some dates in the bible naming the early 2000s as the end of days? (note: god specifically says in the bible that nobody will know the time).


much much nastier back then, yes. in contrast to back then, when human civilization was always at war with each other everywhere, where diseases wiped out massive swaths of the population on a regular basis, where most of humanity survived in near starvation, where rape and murder and violence were a daily part of life, nowadays the vast majority of humanity live their entire lives far from any wars, famine has been wiped out, we are far healthier and longer lived than ever, and the concept of human rights and rape laws are the rule of thumb over most of the globe.




You believe God came from nothing. You're accusing yourself of being irrational.

And there's nothing in nature that requires a divine explanation, and most every thing that humans thought needed a divine explanation has turned out to have a simple scientific one.
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Ask yourself this question: Who are the prophets in the NT? Who are those receiving the word of God and writing it down? The only one that remotely comes to my mind is John on the Isle of Patmos and the book of Revelation. It is a truism that anything "Old" in the NT is true and anything "New" in the NT cannot be true.

Well, no one may know the actual hour or time...but we can know the season and that season seems to be upon us.

Certainly there are many pluses that science has brought for humankind. But is the heart of man really any better? There is still famine (not a lot thankfully). All it would take is WW III to bring us all back to those days of yore...how likely is a WW III in our enlightened era? Lets not forget the likes of N Korea or what the Chinese are doing to the Uegers (sp?) and soon to make a move on Taiwan. Still plenty of evil in the world to go around.

No, I accuse myself of being rational - because (as I said already) it is infinitely more sensical to believe that a higher power (who has existed for all eternity) created all this than to convince yourself that it just materialized from nothing...thats crazy.

And yet they haven't been able to create even a simple form of life through experimentation. To say anything in nature is simple is disingenuous. Clearly, the more we learn the less we know.

If you do not believe in God then you are probably an evolutionist? If so, why evolve into a male and female? Why not just remain one gender and self procreate - simpler and more likely to succeed? Is not the ability to pro create a miracle unto itself? The whole interaction between a man and a women is a probably Gods biggest gift to us. If evolution was a thing then we'd all have eyes in the back of our heads with phenomenal night vision. :)
 
This all reminds me of Louis CK's "5-minute press conference" joke. Something like: "For years God spoke directly to his people, giving them instructions on how to live.. then for 2,000 years says nothing. He could clear a lot of shit up with a 5-minute press conference."
 
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