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GDT #27: 16/11/2021 - Interesting Week

But with that said, he's hardly a "lock" for 100 points every year. He's sniffed a 100 point pace last season, was below that the 2 previous seasons and is currently way the fuck below it this season, almost 1/4 the way in.

He's appears to be a lock for ~95 though, yeah.

I'd settle down on the whole "do everything" bit though. He's actually been pretty underwhelming on the PK among leaf forwards with 100 minutes over more in the last 3 seasons

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Mitch: 6.1
Kappy: 6.03
Hyman: 5.86
Engvall: 5.29
Kerfoot: 5.23
Mikky: 5.00

and his not scoring a power play goal in over a calendar year is definitely a thing he clearly doesn't do.

Incredible play maker, incredible transition player, good motor. But let's settle down on this talk of him being some complete player, he really isn't.
and, more saliently, even if he was all the things LOF paints him as, he STILL would not likely be worth the contract he received based on relevant market comparable contracts.

see: Kucherov, Nikita (plus all the other names I listed)
 
I mean he is a tremendous player and a unique talent and a joy to watch. But he is overpaid.

Can you still win overpaying a top-line star winger? Yes, I think so.
 
First 3 years of the contract:
Points:
10th
Forward cap hit%: 9th

Can't be that overpaid. Just wait until he starts doing it in the playoffs too.
 
But with that said, he's hardly a "lock" for 100 points every year. He's sniffed a 100 point pace last season, was below that the 2 previous seasons and is currently way the fuck below it this season, almost 1/4 the way in.

He's appears to be a lock for ~95 though, yeah.

I'd settle down on the whole "do everything" bit though. He's actually been pretty underwhelming on the PK among leaf forwards with 100 minutes over more in the last 3 seasons

xGA/60

Mitch: 6.1
Kappy: 6.03
Hyman: 5.86
Engvall: 5.29
Kerfoot: 5.23
Mikky: 5.00

and his not scoring a power play goal in over a calendar year is definitely a thing he clearly doesn't do.

Incredible play maker, incredible transition player, good motor. But let's settle down on this talk of him being some complete player, he really isn't.
Please.
 
Lol this place is so weird with Marner. Dudes awesome. Leads forwards in ice time, plays 200 ft game, kills penalties, scores 25 goals and 90+ points year in year our.

OVERRATED.

he’s so fucking good.
 
and, more saliently, even if he was all the things LOF paints him as, he STILL would not likely be worth the contract he received based on relevant market comparable contracts.

see: Kucherov, Nikita (plus all the other names I listed)
Don't see him because you've got to take the state tax situation into account, and even if you don't, just because someone else got signed for a relative bargain doesn't make our guy overpaid. Kuch is underpaid.
 

You don't honestly buy that media line that he's some complete player, do you? We're not talking Kessel sized holes in his game or anything, but there are holes.

The results are pretty clear by now. I mean, just because your coach runs you out there, that doesn't mean that you're good at killing penalties.
 
Lol this place is so weird with Marner. Dudes awesome. Leads forwards in ice time, plays 200 ft game, kills penalties, scores 25 goals and 90+ points year in year our.

OVERRATED.

he’s so fucking good.
Just his empty netter last night was something that 99% of other players wouldn't be able to do.

A smallish guy swarmed by 4 players and still finds a way to maneuver to get that shot away.
 
Its pretty tough argument that he's not a complete player. He's played in all situations, against tough comp, very successfully and consistently for a contending team, ever since he entered the league.
 
You don't honestly buy that media line that he's some complete player, do you?

The results are pretty clear by now. I mean, just because your coach runs you out there, that doesn't mean that you're good at killing penalties.
I definitely think he's a complete player. He's second to none when it comes to his instincts and IQ, stealing the puck, trapping it, anticipating what the opposing player is going to do and getting in the right place to make a play or break one up.

It's crazy how underrated he is on this board. I saw Boudreau on the NHL Network last week saying the first time he saw Marner he thought he was one of the most incredible players he's ever seen play. And he wasn't just talking about offense.
 
Its pretty tough argument that he's not a complete player. He's played in all situations, against tough comp, very successfully and consistently for a contending team, ever since he entered the league.
I don't think anyone is arguing that he isn't one of the best 5 or 10 wingers in the league.

the argument was that the contract he received was overpriced compared to the relevant comparable contracts at the time. and I stand by that argument.

he is a phenomenal player, as I think I have explicitly mentioned several times during this discussion.
 
I believe Nick Kypreos reported that and then Campbell's agent denied it... But surely they have to be. They'll get it done of course but the price tag will be fascinating for a 30 year old goalie that came out of nowhere, who is increasing his sample size of elite play each game he plays. Not even sure where they start because it is a pretty unique situation.
30 year old goalie out of nowhere ..... reminds me of the Bruins and Tim Thomas.
About time the leafs got their goalie.....
The stars are aligning.
 
If we are being honest, JT is way more overpaid than Marner is. Marner is paid like a top 5-10 winger and top 10-15 forward in the league and he is clearly one of those.

JT is also paid like that.
 
If we are being honest, JT is way more overpaid than Marner is. Marner is paid like a top 5-10 winger and top 10-15 forward in the league and he is clearly one of those.

JT is also paid like that.
Yes, but one was paid as a UFA, and the other was not. Nearly impossible for JT not to be overpaid. Still think it was poor cap management to immediately send Marner to the top ten cap hits before he finished his ELC. Still like the player though, and he isn't the cause of any cap issues we've had, really. We've lost no one from the core because of him.
 
If we are being honest, JT is way more overpaid than Marner is. Marner is paid like a top 5-10 winger and top 10-15 forward in the league and he is clearly one of those.

JT is also paid like that.
The beauty of this team is, it depends when you're looking.

They all take turns earning their money, but I think they all earn their money when the dust settles, on the regular season at least.

I don't consider any of them overpaid, and poor Willy is severely underpaid now.
 
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