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worm said:
I'm sure ppl can make that argument. But I won't. There is no debate like most valuable with this award.

Even if I take that isn't account. Does passing the puck to caufield and Suzuki instead of 8 point will Smith and some other guy I've never heard of cancel out the winning team stuff.

The best player rookie shouldn't be punished for being on a worse team imo.
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It's who's rookie is having the best season. It's hard to compare across positions, it's a lot harder for rookies to make an impact on defense than it is for forwards, and it's harder to qualify their impact as well. Only 5 defensemen have won it in the past 25 years, and only 3 goalies (none since 2009).

Going to be hard to beat Celebrini if he maintains a PPG production, but if Hutson gets close to 55-60 points, then I think it would be close.
 
Habsy said:
Habs weren't a great team and were in the cellar with SJ. Hutson has made incredible passes to guys not named Caufield and Suzuki that were flubbed and that happens often (see Gallagher last night). He could have far more points.

The same argument can be made man.

The question then becomes, would you trade Hutson for Celebrini? I imagine the responses would vary greatly which means they're on par with each other.
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Was definitely thinking of the Gallagher pass.

I probably would trade hutson for celebrini. Based largely on size and position. Elite centre over the gadget player but I think Demidov is going to be carrying a line from the wing so I'm very happy as is
 
I would too.

I do think Hutson becomes a #1 D in the new mold like Hughes but we've needed a stud center for a long time. I like Suzuki and he'll likely be a ppg guy now for a few seasons but that is perfect for the second line roll.

Demidov and Celebrini would kill it as a first line with maybe a guy like Slaf to do the board work.
 
GrandWazoo said:
It's who's rookie is having the best season. It's hard to compare across positions, it's a lot harder for rookies to make an impact on defense than it is for forwards, and it's harder to qualify their impact as well. Only 5 defensemen have won it in the past 25 years, and only 3 goalies (none since 2009).

Going to be hard to beat Celebrini if he maintains a PPG production, but if Hutson gets close to 55-60 points, then I think it would be close.
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I think ppl assume hutson and celebrini have played the same amount of games. Celebrini at a point per game probably wins the Calder.

Lots can happen the rest of the way though.
 
Habsy said:
I would too.

I do think Hutson becomes a #1 D in the new mold like Hughes but we've needed a stud center for a long time. I like Suzuki and he'll likely be a ppg guy now for a few seasons but that is perfect for the second line roll.

Demidov and Celebrini would kill it as a first line with maybe a guy like Slaf to do the board work.
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If we had a celebrini (while keeping hutson) I think we'd be cup contenders as early as next year.

Slaf Suzuki Cole
Demidov Celebrini Laine

Yes please
 
worm said:
I'm sure ppl can make that argument. But I won't. There is no debate like most valuable with this award.

Even if I take that isn't account. Does passing the puck to caufield and Suzuki instead of 8 point will Smith and some other guy I've never heard of cancel out the winning team stuff.

The best player rookie shouldn't be punished for being on a worse team imo.
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It’s about was the rookie a difference maker, being a key cog to a team that wasn’t supposed to attain success but did is seen as added value

It’s the team game of hockey not an individual skills competition
 
Sal_Butera said:
It’s about was the rookie a difference maker, being a key cog to a team that wasn’t supposed to attain success but did is seen as added value

It’s the team game of hockey not an individual skills competition
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I'm sure some see it that way. But I just see it as the best rookie.

"to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition"
 
worm said:
I think ppl assume hutson and celebrini have played the same amount of games. Celebrini at a point per game probably wins the Calder.

Lots can happen the rest of the way though.
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I'm not. My question is more, what's the equivalent of a PPG season for a defenseman? What type of season does a defenseman needs to have to beat a PPG center in it's rookie year?

Last year both Faber and Hughes had fantastic seasons and still lost to Bedard. I'm somewhat expecting the same but I'm wondering. I think a 60 points season for a rookie defensemen is hard to ignore.
 
worm said:
Other years I bet hutson wins it easily.

All this to say. I don't actually care much about the Calder. I mean Tyler Myers won it. Win the Norris instead
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Brian Conacher won it for the Leafs once upon a time. ROY winners can often be flash in the pan players, who are great for one year and then disappear.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
all Canadiens fans have to push for Hutson to win, none of this mamby pamby shit of supporting other players.

Either you are with us or agin us
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I'm neither. I don't give a shit about individual awards. All I ever care about at the end of the day is how many Cup/Superbowl/World Series championships did he win?

Barry Bonds is a loser for many reasons, but chiefly because he never won a ring. Same with Tony Romo, same with Mats Sundin. Anything that is not a championship is irrelevant. I do not care.
 
Basically then the Expos were nothing but losers because they never won, so why do you care so much about them?

Using your logic Robinson >>> Orr as he has him 6-2. Gretzky >>> Lemieux as he has him 4-2 Gilbert Dionne > Marcel Dionne as he has him 1-0
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
Basically then the Expos were nothing but losers because they never won, so why do you care so much about them?

Using your logic Robinson >>> Orr as he has him 6-2. Gretzky >>> Lemieux as he has him 4-2 Gilbert Dionne > Marcel Dionne as he has him 1-0
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It's not a player to player comparison. It's not about which player was better than another player. It's simpler than that. Either you were on a Cup winner or you weren't. Doesn't matter how many. Just a yes or no proposition.

A player winning an individual award means nothing to a fan. The only trophies that fans can feel part of are team championships. Individual awards are just for the players themselves.
 
A player winning individual awards doesn't mean anything to you, it does to many fans.

Be honest, that rule you pronounced only applies to players on teams you claim to hate or players you hate. You never bring up Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, but always Romo, Bonds and Prescott. You claim Bradshaw is better than Staubach due to his team beating the other's team in two SBs. So yes, you do use it to compare individual player to player comparisons.

You cannot have it both ways, you cannot say X is shit because he never won a championship while saying one winning more doesn't make said player better than the other.
 
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