Habsy
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26.3 I believe
KK Signs Offer Sheet From Canes/Habs Don't Match
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cmaleski2
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CBA Article 26.3 (Circumvention) say basically says that you cannot agree to something (like a one year $6.1 million offer sheet) and have another agreement (verbal, written, implied, etc.) that you will sign an extension later for another amount (or anything along those lines). So no side agreements for anything to happen in the future and no, we will get you the next time agreements when negotiating something.
As long as there is no proof, you can get away with stuff like that of course. But better to just not do it at all. If the Habs don't match the offer sheet and KK is then under contract to the Canes, THEN the Canes could legally discuss a possible extension whenever they want to. But 26.3 is supposed to prohibit a team from making a secondary agreement with a player (written, unwritten, implied, etc.) that if a contract is signed, then 'something else' will be done later. Its ok to talk about future extensions, including term and dollars after a player is under contract, even before the Jan 1 date. But 26.3 says that you cannot discuss extensions, handling QOs, etc. as a secondary 'agreement' to a contract or offer sheet.
As long as there is no proof, you can get away with stuff like that of course. But better to just not do it at all. If the Habs don't match the offer sheet and KK is then under contract to the Canes, THEN the Canes could legally discuss a possible extension whenever they want to. But 26.3 is supposed to prohibit a team from making a secondary agreement with a player (written, unwritten, implied, etc.) that if a contract is signed, then 'something else' will be done later. Its ok to talk about future extensions, including term and dollars after a player is under contract, even before the Jan 1 date. But 26.3 says that you cannot discuss extensions, handling QOs, etc. as a secondary 'agreement' to a contract or offer sheet.
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StormChaserBH
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Agent: "So, Don, what kind of offer sheet are you thinking?"
GMDW: "Well, we like this player and believe he fits our long term plans. We can write up an offer sheet at 4x4M or 5x4.3M, but we think that any offer sheet with those parameters would be matched, so Tulsky here has run the numbers and says that 1x6.1M is the correct offer sheet in order to acquire the player at this time. 6.1 sound OK?"
Agent: (reads between the lines) "OK, sounds good." (high fives KK)
TD: "Hey, let's throw in an extra $20" (smiles)
Easy. DW didn't say a word about an extension.
GMDW: "Well, we like this player and believe he fits our long term plans. We can write up an offer sheet at 4x4M or 5x4.3M, but we think that any offer sheet with those parameters would be matched, so Tulsky here has run the numbers and says that 1x6.1M is the correct offer sheet in order to acquire the player at this time. 6.1 sound OK?"
Agent: (reads between the lines) "OK, sounds good." (high fives KK)
TD: "Hey, let's throw in an extra $20" (smiles)
Easy. DW didn't say a word about an extension.
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No one turns down that money
Also with the team dicking him around and benching him , I don’t blame him at all
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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He probably had stopped listening after the words "Six point one million dollars for one year" were uttered. I doubt he even heard about the bonus.
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Is that like the rule that says teams can't negotiate with UFA's before noon on July 1st and yet we see complex multi-year deals being announced as already drawn up, signed, sealed and delivered to the NHL head office at 12:01pm?
Literally no one actually follows these rules and they are only enforced when the league wants to punish a specific team or GM for some other reason. Otherwise they turn a blind eye to a whole host of things which violate the rules. We all know that if you're Uncle Lou or Jeremy Jacobs rules are merely suggestions.
Same. I would actually send him home and ban him from the team. No ice time.
you would sign on the dotted line
Tampering is 99% in play
A player signs at 12:01 on UFA day , they only had 30 second to iron it out ...ok
cmaleski2
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The main thing 26.3 is supposed to do is squash any 'side deals' from being made as part of negotiations of something.
Someone had mentioned the Kevin LaBanc contracts earlier (or somewhere else). That all looked pretty fishy, a massive underpay on a 1 year deal followed by a 4 year contract for market value money. Conveniently that allowed SJ to navigate the Cap. In the LaBanc situation, 26.3 is really trying to scare teams from, as part of that first contract negotiation, having the team agree with the player/agent with something along the lines of 'don't worry, we will make it up to you on the next contract'. That conversation/discussion about the next contract while negotiating the first contract is a violation of 26.3.
We all know this likely happens regardless. The important part for parties that actually do this type of thing is to not leave a paper trail or evidence of any kind and having all participating parties make sure to not say anything that indicates a future consideration was discussed/agreed to while negotiating a contract or QO or arbitration or an offer sheet.
For the Canes, if they end up with KK, they probably shouldn't file an extension immediately on January 1st. And if they really did discuss specifics of an extension for a lesser AAV before signing the offer sheet, everyone just needs to remember not to say anything about that.
Habsy
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Yeah there's some shenanigans there but in all seriousness they all do it (all the teams).
I don't think you'd get close to a 1st and a 3rd in that scenario as a return
And he'll make 20% of KKs salary. I'm not crazy high on Poehling, but considering what KK has shown so far, I'm very confident that Poehling can provide a 5 goal, 20 point season
Yup , just like Robidas Island and other fine corrupt events
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StormChaserBH
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That interview period got walked back last year in the CBA updates.
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No point in having rules that nobody followed anyway.
wiseguy1
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Of course not, the gamble is to find out if he can mature under added responsibilities. The reward would be great, because he has the physical tools.
Sal_Butera
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Agreed KK has the physical frame outline to potentially do so, but I’m getting less & less convinced he has the skills toolset to accomplish the high reward return.
Skating hasn’t really shown improvement 3-NHL seasons in, neither has his stamina to stay on his skates for more than a 2-4 game stretch after coming in fresh, and I just don’t see any type of WOW factor to his game which would signify potential “high reward return”