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msun30 said:
I'm not sure that Ryan's potential is that much higher than Kadri's.
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Tough to say, but I'll take the bigger guy who has equal/better numbers at every age throughout his career. It's only this year that Kadri was pretty even with Ryan's numbers at 18/19.

The fact that Ryan has the size makes me a bit more comfortable with his potential in the NHL. That said, Kadri could be a superstar and be way better than Ryan... size isn't the be all end all.
 
Tough to say, but I'll take the bigger guy who has equal/better numbers at every age throughout his career. It's only this year that Kadri was pretty even with Ryan's numbers at 18/19.
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Do you think the difference between Kadri's potential and Ryan is worth Kaberle?
 
hockeylover said:
Do you think the difference between Kadri's potential and Ryan is worth Kaberle?
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Not necessarily... but since Kaberle is a pending UFA his value is definitely lower. I also don't think Kaberle is quite the same player he was 2-3 years ago. You also have to look at the Ryan vs Kadri argument the same way many on here looked at the Kessel vs Hall/Seguin argument. Ryan (Kessel) is a lot closer to his prime right now and is at the age where he is really set to break out and he's shown that he can be effective and even dominant at times in the NHL. Kadri (Hall/Seguin) has plenty of potential but has never shown anything in the NHL where it counts yet.

I do think that adding Lupul to the deal would make it pretty even. If the Leafs are able to pull off that deal then sign a Marleau, they are suddenly a real threat in the East IMO. They could definitely battle for home ice.

That said, the chances of any of that actually happening is extremely low.
 
Since when does Lupul add value to a package?

We had a ~50 pt winger who made ~4 million a year for the next few years and there was almost a parade on here when he was traded.

His name was Jason Blake.
 
MindzEye said:
Since when does Lupul add value to a package?

We had a ~50 pt winger who made ~4 million a year for the next few years and there was almost a parade on here when he was traded.

His name was Jason Blake.
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Blake is a 36 year old player who is on the downside of a mediocre career.

Lupul is 10 years younger and at 26 could still have his best years ahead of him. He's been the main piece coming back in 2 Chris Pronger trades. You may not be too high on him but he definitely has some trade value. Lupul is a high skill player, I would not be shocked to see him be a 35 goal 70+ point guy as early as the next 2 years.
 
Lupul also has to deal with the inconvenience of people calling him Jeffrey on a regular basis. It has to bring down his game a little
 
It's a fair trade if you ask me.
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In your original analysis of the trade you suggested, you said that Kaberle was probably going to walk at the end of the year anyway, which is why you're undervaluing him (as usual)

Kaberle has made no indication that he'll walk at all, in fact, quite the opposite.

It's really, really simple. Burke will either get a package that he likes for Kaberle, or he re signs Kaberle.
 
The Edmonton Journal's Jim Matheson took a stab at some potential trades. He writes that the Sabres would probably take Kaberle for Derek Roy or Jason Pominville, but they don't really fit Burke's toughness and size requirement. Matheson adds the Sharks would do it for Devin Setoguchi, the Blue Jackets would do it for Jake Voracek, the Stars would do it for Loui Eriksson or Jamie Benn and the Bruins for David Krejci.
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Read this along with the Derek Roy tidbit...
 
Buffalos' going to have to do better then offer up roy or pomanville for kaberle. Not that their bad players but Kabs if traded to Buffalo is going to a division rival, a team we face 6 times a year and a team were competing with for a playoff spot for. It's going to have to be a better offer then that if Buffalo wants Kabs. Boston again same thing, they're gonna have to do better, I'd take Begeron and a 1st and nothing less for Kabs. Not sure about the west though.
 
Erikson has had two damn good years, I wonder what made it click for him. He doesn't give us that power forward option... but he's 24 and can put the puck in the net. 71 and 63 point seasons... that's pretty hard to pass up.

Setoguchi is interesting as they may spend most of their bucks on Pavelski and see the need to replace Blake.... he's also two years younger than Pavelski (bigger as well)

I don't know much about Voracek to comment.
Roy is a good centre (consistently in the 40+ assists) maybe a good fit for Kessel
Pomminville is 27

I would love to see Burke make some huge play with Dallas to get Neal and Erickson for Kabs and Gus???

Power forward check, pure goal scorer to compliment Kessel check...
go with Giggy and the finnish monster (he was compared to Niemi)
 
I used to think Kadri would be a boom or bust type pick but I think with his tenacity and ridiculous hands he will be an NHL player regardless of which line he ends up on. In the same way that Wellwood has kept an NHL job based on his hands I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to think that Kadri could do the same. In fact its possible that Kadri could even adapt into something of a 'pest' type role if need be. Although its hard to say for sure i'd say Kadri has a very good chance at a decent NHL career with the potential of having a very good one.
 
Seriously. Derek Roy? As in consistent 70 point centre, good set up man, great wheels, Derek Roy?

Where exactly do I have to sign?
 
I used to think Kadri would be a boom or bust type pick but I think with his tenacity and ridiculous hands he will be an NHL player regardless of which line he ends up on. In the same way that Wellwood has kept an NHL job based on his hands I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to think that Kadri could do the same. In fact its possible that Kadri could even adapt into something of a 'pest' type role if need be. Although its hard to say for sure i'd say Kadri has a very good chance at a decent NHL career with the potential of having a very good one.
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You just couldn't stay away could you...? :smilewinkgrin:
 
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