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Guerin and Fedotenko both are finished....both were okay to good in 09.....they are really thin up front.

I simply dont trade my one good asset (Staal) for Kaberle....but i think highly of both the kids on D, and Staal himself....so i can see where people disagree with me.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Guerin and Fedotenko both are finished....both were okay to good in 09.....they are really thin up front.

I simply dont trade my one good asset (Staal) for Kaberle....but i think highly of both the kids on D, and Staal himself....so i can see where people disagree with me.
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You continue to ignore the fact that the two kids were handed the reigns for almost half of the total previous 2 seasons with Gonchar's injuries, and Pittsburgh sucked hard during those stretches.

Neither are ready to replace Gonchar adequately, on the PP or in 5 on 5 play. Pittsburgh is looking at a string of 90-95 point seasons without Gonchar if neither of those 2 turn into what you think they are.
 
MindzEye said:
You continue to ignore the fact that the two kids were handed the reigns for almost half of the total previous 2 seasons with Gonchar's injuries, and Pittsburgh sucked hard during those stretches.

Neither are ready to replace Gonchar adequately, on the PP or in 5 on 5 play. Pittsburgh is looking at a string of 90-95 point seasons without Gonchar if neither of those 2 turn into what you think they are.
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Exactly.

So what Guerin and Fedo are done? The Pens' theory was "We got 2 of the best centers in the league so we can skim on the wingers", and it worked. They would sure like better wingers, but they still gotta keep it cheap because that's not where they spend their $$.

They could get Guerin for cheap, they can find Guerin II for cheap as well.

Goligoski has potential but he cannot replace Gonchar yet. Letang is nothing special.
 
Kaberle + Kulemin for Staal, Mindz....you pull the trigger?
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I don't know man. I've questioned Staal's offensive upside in the past, and though I accept the argument that he's played with shite wingers for the most part, he still receives an assload of icetime overall in all situations and should, should produce more than he has with that assload of icetime if he has the upside that some here have claimed

With that said, he's huge, skates very well, is a beast defensively and on the PK and has some untapped offensive potential, the question is how much. He would be an ideal centre for Kessel imo if he's able to reach 30 goal 70 point type totals due to his strong board work and ability to be the defensive conscience of a line.

This would put Bozak in a more suitable role imo and would go towards balancing. out our top 6 nicely (though it would create questions concerning what to do with Kadri this season...he's clearly NHL ready imo, but Burke's rigid 6/6 mantra would see Kadri in the AHL....and until one of Staal or Bozak were traded)

My major qualm here is that I would have no desire to give Kulemin up in that deal. If Staal was the best young player offered straight up for Kaberle (or with minor futures/picks balancing out the deal either way) then I would most likely bite, but to throw in a winger that I think highly of who in spurts has shown the ability to be a 25+ goal scorer with excellent board work and a strong defensive conscience of his own?

I don't know man.
 
I think I do trade Kaberle straight up for Staal. It's a bit risky, but with a potentially huge reward. I don't think they do it though.

As for including Kulemin, have to consider it but man, that's a tough call.

And there's no way they include # 20 in this transaction.
 
MindzEye said:
Jordan, not Eric foo
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I see him have the ability to break out of his shell in a 1st line role which is why I justify doing it.

I don't see him ever eclipsing 80pts but his overall game is hard to come by. He brings a total package to the ice.

He reminds me so much of Newy that it's hard to turn it down

Still sticking with my yup
 
If we had to trade Kaberle, I say yes.

But we don't, and when the consolation prize is Tomas Kaberle signed to a reasonable cap hit retirement contract, it's really easy to say no to overpaying for young talent in a trade.
 
The latest out of Eklund's ass...

Leafs and Bruins.

*The Leafs are not as of this moment "even close to a deal with the Bruins" as some are saying. In fact I am hearing the Leafs and Kaberle may be close with the Penguins, Kings or the Islanders....However, things change quickly. But remember...Kaberle's not-trade doesn't go away until the draft begins...

* The Bruins are still trying hard to acquire the Blue Jackets 4th overall pick.. I am told we could see Savard + going to Columbus, and then the 4th pick in the draft going to Toronto for Kaberle. But until the Bruins get that pick...
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Burke has said on numerous occasions that Kaberle will be dealt for NHL ready players that can help the team next year, so I'm exceedingly skeptical of any proposed deal that has Kaberle being dealt just for a draft pick.
 
Artnes said:
why exactly do we want the 4th pick again?
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The problem with this year's draft is that it's exceedingly deep but lacks any semblance of consensus or consistency in the list of top ten available players. The likelyhood of getting an all-star at four isn't any greater than getting an all-star at ten.
 
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