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And looking at these numbers brings up a point that I'm not sure anyone's brought up yet (although maybe HL did earlier), which is that the actual cost of Savard is much higher than $4M for the Bruins. They probably don't feel like paying $7 million this year and next, $6.5 the year after, etc., for a player they don't really need. Probably another reason why the price won't be that high to acquire him.
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Awesome point that I overlooked entirely Axl. It's easy to look at a cap breakdown and see 4 million dollars and think "wow, that's a great ****ing price for Savard" but when an executive in charge of a 80+ million dollar hockey budget looks at a 7 million dollar cost that may be damaged goods, it doesn't seem like such a good value anymore.
 
I don't expect Burke to completely alter his plan, because he might be able to get Savard for cheaper than he ever expected.
 
And Ribiero would be a solid 2nd option to Savard. Someone posted the top scorers in the NHL over the last 3 years around here somewhere in a Kovy discussion a couple days ago. Ribiero was top 15.
 
MindzEye said:
Awesome point that I overlooked entirely Axl. It's easy to look at a cap breakdown and see 4 million dollars and think "wow, that's a great ****ing price for Savard" but when an executive in charge of a 80+ million dollar hockey budget looks at a 7 million dollar cost that may be damaged goods, it doesn't seem like such a good value anymore.
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i don't think that boston really cares too much about this.
 
MindzEye said:
Reading comprehension jerkoff, try it before you attempt to be condescending.

Fisher doesn't make 3 either, nor does Spezza make 5.

Those are the amount of years on their contracts you twat, and I expect Regin to sign at minimum a 3 year deal.

Make sense yet you ****ing moron?
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My mistake.

Let's focus on the real issue here...

Boston absolutely won't give up Savard in a soft deal to Toronto for the following reasons:

a) Divisional rival
b) Toronto has few to no upcoming picks or prospects that Boston likely wants
c) Boston wants Toronto to fail more than any other team in the league.

Delude yourself into thinking Toronto will get a sweetheart deal all you want - it's not happening. Ottawa has a greater likelihood of moving pieces that Toronto being given a gift from Boston of all teams.
 
msun30 said:
i don't think that boston really cares too much about this.
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When they signed the deal, they had no idea they'd be able to get Tyler Seguin. I'm sure the bean counters in Boston would love to get $7 million off the books for a player they no longer need.

When you say you don't think Boston cares too much about this, you must have some insider info about a new Boston Bruins owner. Because as far as I know, it's still Jeremy Jacobs, one of the cheapest mother****ers in all of pro sports.
 
axlsalinger said:
When you say you don't think Boston care too much about this, you must have some inside info about a new Boston Bruins owner. Because as far as I know, it's Jeremy Jacobs, one of the cheapest mother****ers in all of pro sports.
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That's what I was thinking. Hard to think of an owner that would care more about doling out unnecessary clams.
 
axlsalinger said:
When they signed the deal, they had no idea they'd be able to get Tyler Seguin. I'm sure the bean counters in Boston would love to get $7 million off the books for a player they no longer need.
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bullshit.

we have heard the quote, directly from chiarelli, that he made the trade with toronto because he thought it would be a lottery pick.

and when savard signed his extension in december.... the leafs had one of if not the worst record in all of hockey. they knew they had a shot at seguin when they signed savard. they also knew that they had krejci and bergeron when they signed him.

there's no impetus to get rid of savard because they have a couple of 50-60 point centres and an 18 year old that can play up the middle.

When you say you don't think Boston care too much about this, you must have some inside info about a new Boston Bruins owner. Because as far as I know, it's Jeremy Jacobs, one of the cheapest mother****ers in all of pro sports.
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boston has spent at or near the cap every year since the lockous, and have paid top dollar for top players. jacobs has shown no inclination whatsoever to cheap out on that roster over the past several years.

and perhaps most importantly, it's worth noting, he approved the savard contract in the first place... just 6 months ago.
 
msun30 said:
bullshit.

we have heard the quote, directly from chiarelli, that he made the trade with toronto because he thought it would be a lottery pick.

and when savard signed his extension in december.... the leafs had one of if not the worst record in all of hockey. they knew they had a shot at seguin when they signed savard. they also knew that they had krejci and bergeron when they signed him.

there's no impetus to get rid of savard because they have a couple of 50-60 point centres and an 18 year old that can play up the middle.



boston has spent at or near the cap every year since the lockous, and have paid top dollar for top players. jacobs has shown no inclination whatsoever to cheap out on that roster over the past several years.
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The voice of reason.
 
msun30 said:
bullshit.

we have heard the quote, directly from chiarelli, that he made the trade with toronto because he thought it would be a lottery pick.

and when savard signed his extension in december.... the leafs had one of if not the worst record in all of hockey. they knew they had a shot at seguin when they signed savard. they also knew that they had krejci and bergeron when they signed him.

there's no impetus to get rid of savard because they have a couple of 50-60 point centres and an 18 year old that can play up the middle.
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There's a lottery pick .. and then there's a top 2 pick. Anybody else, even pick # 3 in this draft (which I've always argued has value), you have no idea when they'll get to the NHL. In December, it looked like we'd be moving out of the bottom 2. He also had an equal shot at Hall, which might have made them more likely to want to keep Savard.

boston has spent at or near the cap every year since the lockous, and have paid top dollar for top players. jacobs has shown no inclination whatsoever to cheap out on that roster over the past several years.

and perhaps most importantly, it's worth noting, he approved the savard contract in the first place... just 6 months ago.
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Savard's contract means they are paying out more than just up to the cap, it's $3 million bucks extra. And 6 months ago, they didn't have Tyler Seguin.

I am not saying this is a sure thing, but it would help explain why they suddenly want to move him in a "soft trade", if you believe the rumours. I'm not saying they'll give him to us for nothing.

This appears to be coming from the Bruins, not from Savard. Offer away if you have another explanation.
 
Delude yourself into thinking Toronto will get a sweetheart deal all you want - it's not happening. Ottawa has a greater likelihood of moving pieces that Toronto being given a gift from Boston of all teams.
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I definitely think it doesn't make all that much sense, cork, but I think it's kind of unfair to come here and say we're all delusional for discussing something that's being talked about like it's a very real possibility from respected hockey people - McKenzie and LeBrun. Any fanbase would be doing the same thing.

This isn't an Eklund rumour.
 
Long contracts have hugely decreased the values of a lot of players.

They won't get Savard for Mitchell and Sjostrom, but even without the injury concerns, big contracts are pretty tough to deal, and they don't get great value in return.

Taking a contract from a team holds a lot of value in itself, in a cap system.
 
BeLeafer said:
That might piss me off as much as giving up Kabs for him.

Has anyone yet noted that Savard does not really fit Burke's mold and what he's looking to get this season? It does nothing to address the serious need we have for some size/punch on the top six.
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Why? Bringing Savard in for very little makes it quite likely that we do keep Kaberle. Gunner is a nice defender, an absolutely lovely surprise out of the back end of the draft but he's hardly needed here. If Kaberle stays we have no place for Gunner on our top PP unit and he won't get a sniff of PK time with that group of neanderthals we have on our blueline.

I think he can become a nice #3-4 defender capable to 35+ points in a season, but with our blueline depth, if that's the cost of adding a potential 80-90 point centre, so be it. Our blueline is set for a few years anyway and we have some comparable prospects to Gunner like Mikus, Blacker, & Holzer all either playing pro hockey in NA, or close to it (Blacker has one more year of junior I think) as well as Aulie who plays a different style but has a similar upside.
 
they won't recoup value.

but people are going way too far on what constitutes a 'soft trade.'

kulemin and a second (or something along those lines) would be a ridiculous steal for savard.

he won't go for less than that, though.. let alone significantly less (i.e. with a second in exchange for mitchell, a 4th and stefanovich).
 
they won't recoup value.

but people are going way too far on what constitutes a 'soft trade.'

kulemin and a second (or something along those lines) would be a ridiculous steal for savard.

he won't go for less than that, though.. let alone significantly less (i.e. with a second in exchange for mitchell, a 4th and stefanovich).
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I agree people are going too far, I mean Mitchell? Not on your life.

And Kulemin and a 2nd is definitely a steal.

It would've been better if we'd all heard nothing about a "soft trade" and this came out of the blue like the Phaneuf return.
 
And to be clear, I do think we will have to give up an asset along the lines of a Kulemin or Gunnarsson. I have no idea what Boston wants here, but it won't be John Mitchell and a 7th, that's for sure.
 
corksens said:
My mistake.

Let's focus on the real issue here...

Boston absolutely won't give up Savard in a soft deal to Toronto for the following reasons:

a) Divisional rival
b) Toronto has few to no upcoming picks or prospects that Boston likely wants
c) Boston wants Toronto to fail more than any other team in the league.

Delude yourself into thinking Toronto will get a sweetheart deal all you want - it's not happening. Ottawa has a greater likelihood of moving pieces that Toronto being given a gift from Boston of all teams.
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I don't expect a gift, as I've mentioned in other posts. I would fully expect Boston to ask for some quality young players and prospects. I would fully expect Chia to demand Gunner + a decent young forward like Hanson or Caputi. He may, as I previously noted try to expand the deal to rid himself of Ryder.

I don't expect a gift, but I do expect cap relief to be the most important asset he's after.
 
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