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Aardvarkmayhem said:
I mean, you’ve said many times you’d rather the Leafs not spend top dollars to commit to a reliable starter and instead have them take smart, low-risk gambles. Bernier is a smart gamble that really only cost the Leafs a marginal 3rd liner in Frattin and Nonis hasn’t left the Leafs scrambling at the last second in order to make it.

Really, I’m happy this management group is taking a different approach than previous ones who would anoint an unproven young goalie as starter before he’s earned it. It’s not like the Leafs are totally depending on Bernier. Nor are they totally depending on Reimer now. This is a great position to be in.
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Bernier will cost 4-5 times what Scrivens will cost and the Leafs had to give up a useful winger for him. All to improve the backup position, with no guarantee it will actually be improved.

Goaltending was the Leafs GREATEST strength last year.
 
The AHL and NCAA ranks are full of big, immobile goalies like Scrivens that post numbers that look impressive on paper. One by one they are always eventually figured out in the NHL.

You're not playing against some fringe kid on a scholarship to Quinnipiac or Colgate anymore.
 
The AHL and NCAA aren't full of guys who've posted elite numbers almost every season like Scrivens has.

He's posted a SV% of 924 or above in 6 of 8 seasons at the NCAA/AHL levels. Lowest season at either level was 911 in his very first NCAA season where he played 11 games.

You don't fluke that kind of consistency.

Whether he makes it in the NHL remains to be seen, but he's a solid NHL level goalie prospect.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
The AHL and NCAA ranks are full of big, immobile goalies like Scrivens that post numbers that look impressive on paper. One by one they are always eventually figured out in the NHL.

You're not playing against some fringe kid on a scholarship to Quinnipiac or Colgate anymore.
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Watched some Marlies games when Scrivens had that .940(or something close to that) and man what a difference in leagues...Kept wondering why they kept always shooting at exactly the same place(couldn't lift pucks up lol)..so yea that's an important point.
 
The AHL and NCAA aren't full of guys who've posted elite numbers almost every season like Scrivens has.
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Sure they are. The following current AHL goalies have put up these seasons:

David Leggio: .911, .917, .924
Mike McKenna: .921, .918, .923
Martin Jones: .924, .919, .919
Danny Taylor: .908, .924, .922
Justin Peters: .917, .908, .921
Jeff Zatkoff: .911, .920, .920
Yann Danis: .924, .924, .911
Matt Climie: .913, .920, .921
Barry Brust: 908, .925, .911 (also seasons of .919 and .923)
Curtis McElhinney: .911, .907, .923
Jacob Markstrom: .907, .927, .920
Michael Hutchinson: .904, .927, .914
Scott Munrue: .920, .907, .913 (not including a .926 season)
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
Sure they are. The following current AHL goalies have put up these seasons:

David Leggio: .911, .917, .924
Mike McKenna: .921, .918, .923
Martin Jones: .924, .919, .919
Danny Taylor: .908, .924, .922
Justin Peters: .917, .908, .921
Jeff Zatkoff: .911, .920, .920
Yann Danis: .924, .924, .911
Matt Climie: .913, .920, .921
Barry Brust: 908, .925, .911 (also seasons of .919 and .923)
Curtis McElhinney: .911, .907, .923
Jacob Markstrom: .907, .927, .920
Michael Hutchinson: .904, .927, .914
Scott Munrue: .920, .907, .913 (not including a .926 season)
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How many of those guys posted a career 925 SV% in the AHL like Scrivens did?
 
PKForce81 said:
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Watched some Marlies games when Scrivens had that .940(or something close to that) and man what a difference in leagues...Kept wondering why they kept always shooting at exactly the same place(couldn't lift pucks up lol)..so yea that's an important point.
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Part of the problem this year was the AHL only had something like three or four guys that even hit a PPG. It's a notoriously low-scoring league the past year and a half or so.

What makes so happy about Bernier is the fact that in the year that scoring was much higher (2009-10), he was dominant as hell (.937 that season), even with the higher scoring levels.

Goaltenders in that league have recently benefited statistically-speaking from the huge drop in scoring totals.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
How many of those guys posted a career 925 SV% in the AHL like Scrivens did?
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All of the goalies on that list have been starters in the AHL for full seasons. They've got a lot more than 94 career starts there. :lol

I could pretty easily cherry pick their three top years and combine them. Want me to do that?
 
And I do consider a guy like Martin Jones to be a significantly better goaltending prospect than Scrivens at the same age based on Player's rationale: four years younger, career .921 save percentage in the AHL, former World Junior team starter, and a 6'4, 200 pound frame.

136 career starts to 94 as well despite the significant age gap between the two.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
All of the goalies on that list have been starters in the AHL for full seasons. They've got a lot more than 94 career starts there. :lol

I could pretty easily cherry pick their three top years and combine them. Want me to do that?
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You posted a list of goalies who almost all posted inferior numbers to Scrivens and you're trying to pass that off as proof.
 
Jays, I just cannot agree more. I think Reimer is a choke and that Scrivens is Bruce Gamble 2.0. One a choke, the other a fraud, it was Wregget and Bester all over again. The Leafs defence and Randy Carlyle went and worked their asses off, to accomodate how awful we were in goal.

I am totally pumped to see what level this team can get to, when they know they don`t have to play doomsday defence for a change. And play guys like Mark Fraser 25 minutes a game, to smother everyone, so that Reimer and Scrivens don`t get a meaningful shot on them. From inside.

Jake Gardiner is the biggest winner in this, now he can be inserted into the lineup without being replaced by someone who is all defence.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
You posted a list of goalies who almost all posted inferior numbers to Scrivens and you're trying to pass that off as proof.
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Almost all of those guys have posted pretty much identical (based on your definition earlier in this thread) numbers to Scrivens, and in many cases were younger when they did so (Jones, Markstrom, Hutchinson had a better year than any Scrivens has had two years ago). It's simply not that difficult for even a career minor-leaguer (Brust, Leggio, Danis, Taylor) to be dominant in the AHL. It proves nothing.

Scrivens doesn't get punished by being slow and awkward in the AHL like he does in the NHL. Hell, if I was an NHL team I would definitely try to trade for Scrivens at the deadline if my AHL team was making a push and he had options left: you know he'll stop shots down there. I'm just not so sure he will be a long-term competent option as an NHL goalie, and that's the primary difference between him and Bernier, who I am confident in.
 
Every one of my contacts except one, thought we had the worst goaltending they had seen in 45 years in Toronto. They said save percentage was greatly enhanced by how Carlyle brilliantly covered up for them, via hulking passionate, doomsday defence in our zone. They said they thought he deserved serious consideration for COACH of the YEAR for covering up for those two.

One of my contacts is a coach in the OHL and he agreed with almost everything I had to say about the AHL, OHL and the NHL, but he disagreed with me and thought Reimer was okay.

He also thinks Jerry DÀmigo will be a second liner for the Leafs, for what it is worth.
 
This entire discussion is ridiculous.

The Leafs posted a top 7 SV% overall. It was one of their greatest strengths last year, regular season and playoffs. And it was by far the cheapest out of top teams as well.

But carry on about Reimer's glove hand and Scrivens being slow and awkward. Last year must have been a miracle from jesus. But we have the pretty Bernier to save the day, thank god.
 
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Nathan Lawson (29 years old, born September 29, 1987):

Career AHL statistics: 150 GP, 72 wins, 53 losses, 15 SO/OTL, .923 save percentage

Lawson is a virtual clone to Scrivens. A 6'2 former NCAA college goalie who had to fight his way through the ECHL for a couple of years and then instantly posted a .927 in his first season as a 25 year-old (almost the same age as Scrivens' first year in the AHL) for Bridgeport.
 
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