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Leafs acquire Matt Murray

Maybe he just felt bad for the Sens?

We’ve dumped both Phaneuf & Zaitsev on them in recent years, and now he figures it was our turn to do them a solid?

What a nice guy the nerd is.
 
At the end of the day it could still work. Murray has the track record of elite performance in the regular season, and in the playoffs. And I can't imagine this deal gets done if he didn't have that 18-game sample of high-end play last year too.

However, nobody can ignore the obvious fact that his numbers the last few years are bad, and his injury history is even worse. So for both reasons it's essential that if this guy is our destitute homeless man's version of a 1A, we need a lottery-winner-living-in-a-mansion-in-the-Hollywood-Hills version of a 1B.

Your move, Dubas...

Regardless they're still gonna need to do a segment on this show to explain why Dubas wouldn't or couldn't find some way to get that extra salary retention when it is so fucking obvious to literally everybody.


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given that the Sens were prepared to move out of the top 10 in the first round of the draft just to offload this contract, it is simply unacceptable that they are barely retaining and barely gave us any real assets.

especially given they had no better options... if Murray wasn't gonna waive for not Toronto and they cannot buy him out cause he's still conkied... why are we solving their problem for them before extracting the maximum. just doesn't make any sense. unless Dubie is expecting to replace Dorion shortly...
 
Dude seems to do well enough finding available players, and convincing them to be Leafs. But he needs a closer when it comes to negotiating trade assets and contract demands.
 
Wayward DP said:
given that the Sens were prepared to move out of the top 10 in the first round of the draft just to offload this contract, it is simply unacceptable that they are barely retaining and barely gave us any real assets.

especially given they had no better options... if Murray wasn't gonna waive for not Toronto and they cannot buy him out cause he's still conkied... why are we solving their problem for them before extracting the maximum. just doesn't make any sense. unless Dubie is expecting to replace Dorion shortly...
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Ottawa was screwed with this deal and Kyle bent over. It's nuts.
 
One thing going a bit unmentioned in all this is Dubie seemingly turning his back on Jack rather than meeting his price. Not even waiting until the last second before UFA season starts, even though that itself could've helped in the Ottawa negotiations ("we're reaallllll close to resigning Jack, so are you sure you don't want to retain 50% still?").

There's a bit of an element here that I've picked up on that feels a little like Dubie felt he was slighted by Jack. Here he was, just languishing away on the Kings seemingly destined to back up Quick forever, when Dubie rescues him out of there and basically hands him a primo opportunity on the world's brightest NHL stage, and then eventually lets Freddy walk. So when Jack holds out for 5x5 or 6x5 or whatever he was asking for, was Dubie feeling like maybe Jack wasn't appreciative enough to cut him some slack on the money or term? Could that have made Dubie want to rush into the Murray deal a bit too soon, and say fuck you Jack, you haven't won anything so I'm going with what's behind door number Soo?

There's always a human element to these transactions that get overlooked, so I wonder if maybe some of those personal things drove matters to where they ended up here.
 
is it possible that the Leafs and Sens agreed that the "future considerations" the Leafs are supposed to send them as part of this deal, can be a salary cap dump? instead of the Sens retaining any more of Murray's salary right now, or giving up any other assets. say, somewhere in the $1-2 mil range or so...?

maybe the Leafs need to pick up a throw-in player in an offseason deal only to complete the deal, but don't want to retain him - they clear that player's cap space by sending him to the Sens to close out the Murray deal.

or maybe they'll wait to play that card during the season or at the deadline.
 
The future considerations thing has to be there even if there's never going to really be anything because you have to get something in exchange on paper.
 
I don't know how, but maybe for Dubas this is a one year thing and he just figures it's the best option at low term.

Even at two years there weren't a lot of options were there? Too much money but get out early?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
One thing going a bit unmentioned in all this is Dubie seemingly turning his back on Jack rather than meeting his price. Not even waiting until the last second before UFA season starts, even though that itself could've helped in the Ottawa negotiations ("we're reaallllll close to resigning Jack, so are you sure you don't want to retain 50% still?").

There's a bit of an element here that I've picked up on that feels a little like Dubie felt he was slighted by Jack. Here he was, just languishing away on the Kings seemingly destined to back up Quick forever, when Dubie rescues him out of there and basically hands him a primo opportunity on the world's brightest NHL stage, and then eventually lets Freddy walk. So when Jack holds out for 5x5 or 6x5 or whatever he was asking for, was Dubie feeling like maybe Jack wasn't appreciative enough to cut him some slack on the money or term? Could that have made Dubie want to rush into the Murray deal a bit too soon, and say fuck you Jack, you haven't won anything so I'm going with what's behind door number Soo?

There's always a human element to these transactions that get overlooked, so I wonder if maybe some of those personal things drove matters to where they ended up here.
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Really reading the tea leaves there.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
I don't know how, but maybe for Dubas this is a one year thing and he just figures it's the best option at low term.

Even at two years there weren't a lot of options were there? Too much money but get out early?
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If anything, given that most seem to think this is do or die for Dubie this year, he didn't do what would most likely be in his selfish best interest, which was going all out for Kuemper. If Kuemper bombed, he'd be tough to blame. If Murray bombs, he's in trouble.
 
One year, $3M left, I mean, if Murray is going to be a lot better than Talbot this year, then okay, willing to give the benefit of the doubt here.

But we know how I feel about goalies.
 
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