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Leafs' Prospect/Marlies Discussion Thread!

zeke said:
i mean "he got tired" is a logical narrative but i don't know if it explains him completely falling off a cliff all of a sudden like that.
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Long season + overplayed + old = enough wear and tear to slow him down the 1/2 step he can't afford to lose at his age.

Gio should be playing 50-60 regular season games and giving you on average 15-16 minutes a night. Ramp that up to cover for injuries through out the season, more rest when everyone is healthy. 78 games and 19mpg just isn't it if you expect there to be gas left in the playoffs.
 
leafman101 said:
I’m not married to McCabe. He can’t anchor the 2nd pair, but for his salary he can probably be a fine 5/6. Ideally your “tough” dmen don’t suck in front of the net though.
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Yeah, I'm okay with moving him as well but you're just going to struggle to find a better option for 2 million dollars and we probably shouldn't over react to 3 games next to a guy that has been a tire fire as often as not for the last 5-6 years.

McCabe plays both sides, is kind of okay at everything and would be a nice 3rd pairing option with Gio imo.
 
I dunno. A lot is made of Gio's age but he's been really good for us consistently other than these last playoffs where he was unplayable.

Suter is 39 and Burns is 38 and nobody seems to mind them playing on their teams' top pairs all year.
 
The problem is that he plays well early, so the natural inclination of the coach is to play him more.

If they didn't come into the year telling both Keefe and Gio he's under load management with a specific plan, they're dumb.
 
zeke said:
I dunno. A lot is made of Gio's age but he's been really good for us consistently other than these last playoffs where he was unplayable.

Suter is 39 and Burns is 38 and nobody seems to mind them playing on their teams' top pairs all year.
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I agree, felt like more than just fatigue to me. Seemed to crumble under the physicality of Florida in particular. Claimed he wasn't hurt but maybe he just didn't want to make excuses.
 
MindzEye said:
Except there's no cap space in this scenario. Klingberg is the cap space for upgrades.
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Everyone seems to have penciled in Domi as a fixture?

That's an easy $3M to get rid of that we should be able to replace internally with a kid, while keeping Klingberg's offense.

Domi + McCabe = $5M.
 
Yep. Domi very expendable too.

Move Domi instead of jarnkrok and we could keep mccabe while adding a guy like Weegar.

Not sure how many people thought we'd prefer Krok over Domi a few weeks ago tho.
 
Domi is a nice candidate to trade too, yeah. But there's nothing like Klingberg's 4.125 and if they add a d he's a lock to be in a sheltered 3rd pair role which is terrible use of that salary. So you obviously trade both of them if you need to. Let Timmins play the Klingberg role.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Everyone seems to have penciled in Domi as a fixture?
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Domi is 1.1 million less cap space, but yeah he can be moved too, whatever.

Also, and importantly though. Is actually functional in the top 9. If the 1st 3 games is real Klingberg (which would track with last year's results) he's a blight on humanity and should be cleansed from the lineup with whatever force is necessary up to and including violations of the Geneva Conventions.

I love puck moving too, but you can't be a complete turnstyle at the other end. I'd much rather see Timmins in the lineup than the Klingberg we've seen in the first 3 games.
 
With the right partner you could make it work. Problem is we don't have the right partner to cover up his herpes inducing defense
 
Cowan slides right into domi's spot for the playoffs anyway.

As for krok vs Domi, on this roster it's probably likely that krok is more valuable. Tre may be overcorrecting on the vanilla cleansing if they trade krok. Having one vanilla forward like krok surrounding high event defensive black holes has value.
 
The fact that Domi and Klingberg have big salaries and one year deals makes them very attractive trade assets for us to upgrade and take on big salaries, Bertuzzi even though he is much harder to upgrade on.

Same way they could have used Kerf last year.
 
Preston said:
Cowan slides right into domi's spot for the playoffs anyway.

As for krok vs Domi, on this roster it's probably likely that krok is more valuable. Tre may be overcorrecting on the vanilla cleansing if they trade krok. Having one vanilla forward like krok surrounding high event defensive black holes has value.
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The looming issue with Jarnkrok is that he's bad in the playoffs. We know about his entire lack of offensive contributions, but this is how it plays out on the scoreboard:

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He's had 2 playoffs where he wasn't a minus player and usually he's heavily minus. Yeah, given the changes to the lineup I don't mind the presence of a vanilla shot suppressor or two, but give me one who doesn't habitually go missing when the games matter. Not even saying Domi's the answer either, but he has a better playoff track record than this pussy does.
 
Preston said:
Domi is a nice candidate to trade too, yeah. But there's nothing like Klingberg's 4.125 and if they add a d he's a lock to be in a sheltered 3rd pair role which is terrible use of that salary. So you obviously trade both of them if you need to. Let Timmins play the Klingberg role.
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Is it a terrible use of that salary?

Every time we get to games 6 and 7, our guys are skating in muck. No outlet passes, no flow, little being generated anywhere. Klingberg can find Gregor hanging out two zones away and send him in for a goal. I don't like his D without the puck at all, but with the puck, only Rielly matches what he brings, and even Rielly isn't that guy so much, because he more rushes the puck up the ice rather than makes the quick outlet pass to the forwards like Klingberg does. We've historically lacked offense from the blueline, and now that we have one other guy who can provide it, we want to dump him to add more defensive strength? It would be recreating a flaw that has killed us over the years.
 
If you're trusting Klingberg with enough ice to make an impact in, you're not getting to game 6 or 7.

The entire idea behind an upgrade is that it's a guy who can also move the puck well on top of being above average defensively.
 
Preston said:
Cowan slides right into domi's spot for the playoffs anyway.

As for krok vs Domi, on this roster it's probably likely that krok is more valuable. Tre may be overcorrecting on the vanilla cleansing if they trade krok. Having one vanilla forward like krok surrounding high event defensive black holes has value.
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The flip of your argument here makes the exact case for keeping Klingberg given the rest of the D.
 
MindzEye said:
The looming issue with Jarnkrok is that he's bad in the playoffs. We know about his entire lack of offensive contributions, but this is how it plays out on the scoreboard:

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He's had 2 playoffs where he wasn't a minus player and usually he's heavily minus. Yeah, given the changes to the lineup I don't mind the presence of a vanilla shot suppressor or two, but give me one who doesn't habitually go missing when the games matter. Not even saying Domi's the answer either, but he has a better playoff track record than this pussy does.
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Yeah I don't disagree. I said I'd fall back into the Krok value trap as soon as the season got going and here we are, I'm already there. But I find him less annoying this year now that he gives them something a little different compared to the guys surrounding him. He was infuriating when surrounded by the ZARs and Kerfoot's of the world but I almost find him refreshing right now.

But yeah, happy to give Domi more time to get his offensive game going because when his offense isn't going he's entirely useless unlike Krok, who can help insulate some defensive issues they may have. I suspect that will come around at some point though and then we can have a real discussion of what this roster needs more of.

My bet is they're both on the playoff roster though.
 
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