Les Habitants Prospects Thread

[wiseguy1]

You must be young. It was talked about plenty.

I am as old as the hills as they say, I guess I overlooked it. It happens.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

other than you and I, no one remembers the Jason Ward call by McNumbnuts

Only because he's wrong about most things and no one takes him seriously to begin with. The Ward thing was just one more to add to the mountain of his bad takes. And he himself is responsible for it being remembered because years after he was proven wrong he kept doubling down on it.

 

[GrandWazoo]

I am as old as the hills as they say, I guess I overlooked it. It happens.

It sure would have been nice to get Iginla, Briere, Hossa and Gagne in 95-98 instead of Ryan, M.Higgins, Ward and Chouinard.

 

[GEEMAN]

It sure would have been nice to get Iginla, Briere, Hossa and Gagne in 95-98 instead of Ryan, M.Higgins, Ward and Chouinard.

Yup , its not an exact science but when you strike out too much , you have the wrong staff

 

[GrandWazoo]

Yup , its not an exact science but when you strike out too much , you have the wrong staff

But when you strike too much over decades with different staff, maybe it's the whole philosophy that needs to change.

 

[Hoiles]

It sure would have been nice to get Iginla, Briere, Hossa and Gagne in 95-98 instead of Ryan, M.Higgins, Ward and Chouinard.

It's obviously unrealistic to get all 4 of those guys unless you had access to Biff's sports almanac, but getting just one of them is reasonable and would have made a huge difference, and could have gotten those otherwise solid Gainey teams from 10 years later over the hump.

 

[GrandWazoo]

It's obviously unrealistic to get all 4 of those guys unless you had access to Biff's sports almanac, but getting just one of them is reasonable and would have made a huge difference, and could have gotten those otherwise solid Gainey teams from 10 years later over the hump.

Realistically I'd say we should have drafted Hossa (selected right after us) and Gagne (same team as Chouinard, and better production).

1996 was kind of a shit draft, and Briere was small and took a long time to established himself.

Iginla, that's a tough one. Habs scouted him plenty given that he was playing with Habs prospect Darcy Tucker and the player they really wanted that year, Shane Doan. But Iginla was 7th in scoring on his team and Ryan had a WAY better junior season, it wasn't even close. It hurts but I can't really blame them too much. But he boomed the very next year while Ryan busted almost immediately. Should have they been able to foresee it? Maybe. Iginla's mechanics were way better than Ryan.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

Realistically I'd say we should have drafted Hossa (selected right after us) and Gagne (same team as Chouinard, and better production).

1996 was kind of a shit draft, and Briere was small and took a long time to established himself.

Iginla, that's a tough one. Habs scouted him plenty given that he was playing with Habs prospect Darcy Tucker and the player they really wanted that year, Shane Doan. But Iginla was 7th in scoring on his team and Ryan had a WAY better junior season, it wasn't even close. It hurts but I can't really blame them too much. But he boomed the very next year while Ryan busted almost immediately. Should have they been able to foresee it? Maybe. Iginla's mechanics were way better than Ryan.

Ryan's head turned to mush iirc

 

[GrandWazoo]

Still looking at their draft years.

Season	Team	Lge	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1994-95	Tri-City Americans	WHL	70	50	60	110	207		17	12	15	27	36
1994-95	Kamloops Blazers	WHL	72	33	38	71	111		21	7	11	18	34

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

But when you strike too much over decades with different staff, maybe it's the whole philosophy that needs to change.

That's the one thing that ain't ever changing because profits matter more than winning. That's why they picked Reinbacher instead of Michkov and why they traded Subban. Being humble trumps having talent every time.

 

[GrandWazoo]

That's the one thing that ain't ever changing because profits matter more than winning. That's why they picked Reinbacher instead of Michkov and why they traded Subban. Being humble trumps having talent every time.

Yeah I'm not quite sure where that's coming from either. Fans don't care. And other Canadian teams don't seem to have that problem (to an extent, as a do think there is a bit of a cultural aspect to it).

 

[GEEMAN]

But when you strike too much over decades with different staff, maybe it's the whole philosophy that needs to change.

Yup , that group needs a rebuild

 

[GEEMAN]

Realistically I'd say we should have drafted Hossa (selected right after us) and Gagne (same team as Chouinard, and better production).

1996 was kind of a shit draft, and Briere was small and took a long time to established himself.

Iginla, that's a tough one. Habs scouted him plenty given that he was playing with Habs prospect Darcy Tucker and the player they really wanted that year, Shane Doan. But Iginla was 7th in scoring on his team and Ryan had a WAY better junior season, it wasn't even close. It hurts but I can't really blame them too much. But he boomed the very next year while Ryan busted almost immediately. Should have they been able to foresee it? Maybe. Iginla's mechanics were way better than Ryan.

Bingo , give me 2 hits over that period

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

Yeah I'm not quite sure where that's coming from either. Fans don't care. And other Canadian teams don't seem to have that problem (to an extent, as a do think there is a bit of a cultural aspect to it).

It was perhaps magnified under Bergevin but that mentality was in place long before he came along. They've always done this.

 

[GrandWazoo]

It was perhaps magnified under Bergevin but that mentality was in place long before he came along. They've always done this.

I think it's a Molson cultural thing.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

I think it's a Molson cultural thing.

Yep. Buttoned-down, corporate, no egos allowed except in management.

 

[lecoqsportif]

And they some of the shittiest beer on the planet.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

Yep. Buttoned-down, corporate, no egos allowed except in management.

well in fairness, you want people to "obey"

 

[worm]

Ryan's head turned to mush iirc

Yep. That didn't help. He is pretty open about everything. He is (or was) on the radio a bunch out here.

Wrote a book Tales of a First Round Nothing

 

[Habspatrol]