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Altair
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Freeland is amazing.
Dumied the Europeans with tears, Asia Pacific with delays and the Americans with not giving a damn about deadlines and knowing that the Americans would need to cave on a deal to have any hope of getting it past congress.
Well done Canada.
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LeafGm
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Some of the early details:
Daniel Dale @ddale8
Per Team Trump: 1) Chapter 19 and cultural exemption stay, as Trudeau demanded. 2) US gets more dairy access than the 3.25% Canada granted to partners in TPP, as Trump demanded. 3) No major changes on TN visas. 4) Steel, alum tariffs unresolved. 5) A side agreement on auto tariffs; wouldn't go into details, but Canadian sources say that a certain number of Canadian cars, significantly higher than the current number exported to the U.S., will be guaranteed protection from any future Trump "natl security" tariffs.
Daniel Dale @ddale8
Per Team Trump: 1) Chapter 19 and cultural exemption stay, as Trudeau demanded. 2) US gets more dairy access than the 3.25% Canada granted to partners in TPP, as Trump demanded. 3) No major changes on TN visas. 4) Steel, alum tariffs unresolved. 5) A side agreement on auto tariffs; wouldn't go into details, but Canadian sources say that a certain number of Canadian cars, significantly higher than the current number exported to the U.S., will be guaranteed protection from any future Trump "natl security" tariffs.
Wayward DP
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Canada also made concessions on pharma patents (extended to 10 years - hurts our generic drug manufacturers) and raised the de minimis duty free purchase from $20 to $100 (Canada will collect GST on this though).
But yeah, overall, crisis more or less averted. The one thing I do want to see the nitty gritty about is the dairy concessions, specifically the one allowing the import of American cheese-making ingredients. Basically I want to know if we conceded to allow American BGH-laced shit to start being used in the manufacture of Canadian cheese. Cause that I would not like.
But everything else, eh, pretty good. Keeping Chapter 19 is a big win. The ability for corporations to sue governments was majorly watered down. And the steel and aluminum tariffs are annoying.
So Trudeau definitely ceded a good amount of ground. But not really any major concessions.
But yeah, overall, crisis more or less averted. The one thing I do want to see the nitty gritty about is the dairy concessions, specifically the one allowing the import of American cheese-making ingredients. Basically I want to know if we conceded to allow American BGH-laced shit to start being used in the manufacture of Canadian cheese. Cause that I would not like.
But everything else, eh, pretty good. Keeping Chapter 19 is a big win. The ability for corporations to sue governments was majorly watered down. And the steel and aluminum tariffs are annoying.
So Trudeau definitely ceded a good amount of ground. But not really any major concessions.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Lost in the NAFTA weekend cycle is this bit of great news. Canada cutting out the USA in the Natural Gas trade
Royal Dutch Shell Plc and its four partners have agreed to invest in a multibillion-dollar liquefied natural gas project in western Canada -- the largest new one of its kind in years that would carve out the fastest route to Asia for North American gas.
The project marks a turning point for Canada and the gas industry. Set to be the nation’s largest infrastructure project ever, LNG Canada augurs a new wave of investments for major gas export projects after a three-year hiatus forced by a global supply glut. LNG Canada will be able to send cargoes from Kitimat, British Columbia to Tokyo in about eight days versus 20 days from the U.S. Gulf.
It’s also a welcome boost for Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. LNG Canada promises better prices for the country, whose energy exports are sold almost exclusively to the U.S. at depressed prices for lack of a coastal facility.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-30/shell-partners-said-to-approve-31-billion-lng-canada-project
Royal Dutch Shell Plc and its four partners have agreed to invest in a multibillion-dollar liquefied natural gas project in western Canada -- the largest new one of its kind in years that would carve out the fastest route to Asia for North American gas.
The project marks a turning point for Canada and the gas industry. Set to be the nation’s largest infrastructure project ever, LNG Canada augurs a new wave of investments for major gas export projects after a three-year hiatus forced by a global supply glut. LNG Canada will be able to send cargoes from Kitimat, British Columbia to Tokyo in about eight days versus 20 days from the U.S. Gulf.
It’s also a welcome boost for Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. LNG Canada promises better prices for the country, whose energy exports are sold almost exclusively to the U.S. at depressed prices for lack of a coastal facility.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-30/shell-partners-said-to-approve-31-billion-lng-canada-project
JackBurton
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The only reason this deal was made was beacuse they realized a mexico/U.S only deal was never getting approved.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
If you take a step back, the only reason is Trump wanted to rip a former deal, change a few commas, slap his name on it, and declare a massive improvement.
Wayward DP
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Wayward DP
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I will just keep calling it NAFTA.
Altair
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worm
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in this day and age everybody loves a remake
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Up to 26 million tons per year. Current worldwide market is about 300 million tons
It's also the most expensive infrastructure program in Canadian history
7500+ construction jobs
And a big win, considering nobody has invested a dime in Canadian energy in years
zeke
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Katie Simpson @CBCKatie
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Freeland says dairy will be compensated for the additional US access to the market ****this is news**** need to find out exactly what it looks like and if dairy farmers are going to be happy.
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one of the major issues here is that US dairy is heavily subsidized. so i'm guessing that the "concessions" made to the US here just mean that Canada will resort to a similar system of subsidizing our dairy farmers as well, to keep the competitive balance.
3m
Freeland says dairy will be compensated for the additional US access to the market ****this is news**** need to find out exactly what it looks like and if dairy farmers are going to be happy.
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one of the major issues here is that US dairy is heavily subsidized. so i'm guessing that the "concessions" made to the US here just mean that Canada will resort to a similar system of subsidizing our dairy farmers as well, to keep the competitive balance.