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Ballsy move for Trudeau.

Implements carbon backstop on provinces that do not have a adequate climate plan as of April 2019, but makes the rebate payable annually through the CRA, which to me sounds like the first rebate will be seen tax time 2020.

So from April 2019 to election day in October 2019, consumers will see increased prices on fuel, heating costs, electricity, etc., but not see a penny until after the election.

Smart move would be to make those payments available in 2019 to reflect the expected revenue raised from the carbon tax.
 
First rebates will be coming in the 2019 tax returns. 300$ for a family of 4 this year, rising up to 700 by 2022 (to make sure the announced number is higher than the 650$ number that Rod Phillips has quoted in his arguments). So money should actually come in before any rise in rates.
 
UWHabs said:
First rebates will be coming in the 2019 tax returns. 300$ for a family of 4 this year, rising up to 700 by 2022 (to make sure the announced number is higher than the 650$ number that Rod Phillips has quoted in his arguments). So money should actually come in before any rise in rates.
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Good, the CBC article I was following didn't make a mention of the start date for rebates.

So that pretty much wraps up Trudeaus main initiatives, USMCA, pot, CCB, and now carbon pricing.

Assuming the border issues don't get worse he should be okay looking at re-election.
 
this is a huge political win for the Liberals. or at least it should be.

putting more money directly back in taxpayers pockets. launching it in Doug's riding too. straight out of a Harper campaign book or something...
 
Wayward DP said:
this is a huge political win for the Liberals. or at least it should be.

putting more money directly back in taxpayers pockets. launching it in Doug's riding too. straight out of a Harper campaign book or something...
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He's almost ignoring Sheer and campaigning directly against Doug Ford.
 
what happened with council members in Toronto
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did they get reduced? aka like half are gone now? must have been some crazy races if it was incumbent vs incumbent
 
worm said:
what happened with council members in Toronto
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did they get reduced? aka like half are gone now? must have been some crazy races if it was incumbent vs incumbent
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Yeah, the Ford government passed their bill to cut Toronto City council in half, it was overturned in court in a charter challenge, and then an appeal court overturned that decision.

So, the election went ahead with the smaller, 25-councillor election.

And out of those 25 wards, I think there were only two or three where it wasn't an incumbent vs. incumbent battle.
 
LeafGm said:
Yeah, the Ford government passed their bill to cut Toronto City council in half, it was overturned in court in a charter challenge, and then an appeal court overturned that decision.

So, the election went ahead with the smaller, 25-councillor election.

And out of those 25 wards, I think there were only two or three where it wasn't an incumbent vs. incumbent battle.
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I think there a couple wards without an incumbent, and a decent number where there was no challenge (Cressy, Layton, etc..). But yeah, in the end it's just a smaller version of council with hardly any new people elected.
 
worm said:
what happened with council members in Toronto
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did they get reduced? aka like half are gone now? must have been some crazy races if it was incumbent vs incumbent
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quite a handful of incumbents elected not to seek reelection. there were still many ridings where long-time incumbents squared off. Norm Kelly, former deputy mayor lost his seat to an incumbent, along with a handful of other incumbents. Notably, legendary blowhard buffoon Giorgio Mammoliti lost his seat. That leaves Denzil Minnan-Wong as the remaining 'buffoon in chief' on council.
 
UWHabs said:
I think there a couple wards without an incumbent, and a decent number where there was no challenge (Cressy, Layton, etc..). But yeah, in the end it's just a smaller version of council with hardly any new people elected.
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I can think of two councilors who are new to council - Beaches-East York, and the east end riding where the NDP incumbent lost (Shah?)
 
Super amusing that a city of a million people, Ottawa, has 23 councillors while a huge city of 3 million people, and a much bigger GTA has 25.

Give Ford credit where it is due however, perfectly pulled of political revenge/hit job.
 
Wayward DP said:
quite a handful of incumbents elected not to seek reelection. there were still many ridings where long-time incumbents squared off. Norm Kelly, former deputy mayor lost his seat to an incumbent, along with a handful of other incumbents. Notably, legendary blowhard buffoon Giorgio Mammoliti lost his seat. That leaves Denzil Minnan-Wong as the remaining 'buffoon in chief' on council.
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Since I was generally indifferent to the mayor's race and the election in my own ward, the one thing I was hoping for out of this election at least was that Mammoliti would get turfed.

So, I was glad to see that happen, at least. Tough my happiness there is tempered by the fact that Doug Ford will almost certainly find him a provincial government job ASAP.
 
UWHabs said:
First rebates will be coming in the 2019 tax returns. 300$ for a family of 4 this year, rising up to 700 by 2022 (to make sure the announced number is higher than the 650$ number that Rod Phillips has quoted in his arguments). So money should actually come in before any rise in rates.
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Is it an actual rebate ( refundable tax credit) or a just a credit against tax owing?
 
worm said:
ralph bucks

smart
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yeah, the irony is this is such a small c conservative, populist type move for Trudeau to be pulling. "the conservatives want pollution to be free. well, we are putting a tax on carbon and sending all the money we collect directly to back taxpayers" (the last part is not entirely true, but since when did nuance matter in politics)
 
Wayward DP said:
yeah, the irony is this is such a small c conservative, populist type move for Trudeau to be pulling. "the conservatives want pollution to be free. well, we are putting a tax on carbon and sending all the money we collect directly to back taxpayers" (the last part is not entirely true, but since when did nuance matter in politics)
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Oh yeah, it's totally to disrupt any sort of conservative argument. I mean, seriously, the Conservatives can cry to high heaven that this is a "tax grab", but Libs can counter on many fronts, the first one being that you got money directly in your pocket for it.

An interesting point will be that this federal scheme is only in place in 4 provinces, though. You gotta wonder if the people in the other provinces are annoyed that they don't get their Trudeau Carbon Dollars. How will this play in the Alberta Campaign, where you have to assume that Kenney runs an anti-Carbon Tax campaign?
 
Tons of Liberals elected in the municipal elections.

Off the top my head: McGarry, Watson, Mauro, Bradley, Colle, Carroll and Demarla are all former Ontario Liberals that got elected. I am sure I am missing someone.
 
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