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MindzEye said:
Complicated problem.

So we have a guy who tried to smuggle over 200kg of meth out of China to bring back to Australia and gets caught. Chinese law allows for the death penalty at something like 100 grams and they gave him what was considered an extremely lenient sentence in 2014. Same guy served 18 months in jail in BC for...you guessed it, drug smuggling, and was released something like 12 months before getting pinched in China. So this likely isn't some random tourist that Chinese authorities just snagged in case they had a row with Canada 5 years later. This is a guy who broke a serious law in an authoritarian dictatorship half way around the world. Play stupid games....
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Too bad he didn't take the BC judges comments a bit more seriously.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/schellenberg-china-drugs-sentence-death-1.4977808
 
Altair said:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-international-criticism-death-sentence-canadian-1.4980001



I'm not sure what China is doing here other than extracting their pound of flesh for the arrest of the Huawei CFO, an arrest I'm increasingly thinking just wasn't worth it for Canada.
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As much as it's kind of galling to take any kind of heat internationally for the sake of the United States at the moment, the arrest was still "worth it".

Maintaining the Rule of Law in our own country and abiding by our treaty commitments is of paramount importance.
 
LeafGm said:
As much as it's kind of galling to take any kind of heat internationally for the sake of the United States at the moment, the arrest was still "worth it".

Maintaining the Rule of Law in our own country and abiding by our treaty commitments is of paramount importance.
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I wouldn't have objected to the Canadians discreetly advising Meng not to transit thru Vancouver prior to her flight. The Americans might be pissed, but I'm not convinced that her arrest wasn't part of Trump's trade war.

We took a bullet for our American friends here, but they clearly don't have our back in this.

On the other hand, I think its absolutely time that countries start standing up to China. But we ain't gonna get out of this one scot free.
 
John Maccallum fired.

I guess making the case for the Huawei CFO, apologizing, then doing it a second time after that was a bit too much for Trudeau.
 
Bad look all around.

Trudeau should have fired McCallum right away, and still hasn't offered an explanation for the firing, which he should.
 
I'd just came to say **** you to Mel Lastman for selling all of our snow clearing equipment 20 odd years ago. If you've ever wondered why they don't clear side streets in Toronto any longer, thank Mel.
 
Sorry bro, I couldn't hear you over the sound that 27 degrees in january makes. Did you say that it snowed in Canada? That's weird.
 
Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto
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Breaking: The US has formally requested the extradition of Meng Wanzhou, Huawei’s Chief Financial Officer, according to Canada’s Minister of Justice. Meng was arrested in Canada in December. US alleges Meng helped the company dodge Iran sanctions


at least the US finally stopped letting canada twist in the wind for their extradition request.
 
zeke said:
Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto
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Breaking: The US has formally requested the extradition of Meng Wanzhou, Huawei’s Chief Financial Officer, according to Canada’s Minister of Justice. Meng was arrested in Canada in December. US alleges Meng helped the company dodge Iran sanctions


at least the US finally stopped letting canada twist in the wind for their extradition request.
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and it appears as though they have a legit case here.
 
Wayward DP said:
and it appears as though they have a legit case here.
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If we hand her over, those Canadians in China are screwed. China wont take it lying down, heads will roll.

I was hoping it was trumped up charges and she would be let go, defusing all of this, but it looks like they actually have a case, so Canada will probably hand her over.
 
It sucks, but if we don't give in to ransom demands from terrorists who take Canadians hostage, we shouldn't give in to demands from countries who take Canadians hostage either.

And we certainly can't set the precedent that sufficiently well-connected members of the Chinese Communist Party elite are above the law in Canada.

In the meantime, Canadians who live and work in China or Canadians intending to travel to China should probably re-think those plans.
 
zeke said:
eh, I doubt it.
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I'm with Altair on this one. they were taken into custody as a tit for tat. don't see them being released while Meng is still stuck in Canada, or extradited to the U.S.

of course, the fate of her extradition request will be before the courts for a while longer.
 
LeafGm said:
It sucks, but if we don't give in to ransom demands from terrorists who take Canadians hostage, we shouldn't give in to demands from countries who take Canadians hostage either.

And we certainly can't set the precedent that sufficiently well-connected members of the Chinese Communist Party elite are above the law in Canada.

In the meantime, Canadians who live and work in China or Canadians intending to travel to China should probably re-think those plans.
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Never mind that we're essentially caught between a rock and a hard place. I mean, this is basically US vs China, and we're the guy caught in the middle of that battle.
 
LeafGm said:
It sucks, but if we don't give in to ransom demands from terrorists who take Canadians hostage, we shouldn't give in to demands from countries who take Canadians hostage either.

And we certainly can't set the precedent that sufficiently well-connected members of the Chinese Communist Party elite are above the law in Canada.

In the meantime, Canadians who live and work in China or Canadians intending to travel to China should probably re-think those plans.
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Never mind that we're essentially caught between a rock and a hard place. I mean, this is basically US vs China, and we're the guy caught in the middle of that battle.
 
When it doubt, err on the side of international law. Just because to current orange twat in the whitehouse doesn't believe in it, that shouldn't change how we approach these situations. The terrorist analogy is a good one. Buckle on this because there are a few unlucky Canadians in the cross fire and it's license for China to hold Canadian citizens hostage every time they're sufficiently unhappy with us.
 
Wayward DP said:
I'm with Altair on this one. they were taken into custody as a tit for tat. don't see them being released while Meng is still stuck in Canada, or extradited to the U.S.

of course, the fate of her extradition request will be before the courts for a while longer.
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I think they were trying to bully us before we handed her over to the US.

Now that the US is taking ownership of it, i'm not sure they'll bother with the canucks anymore.
 
zeke said:
I think they were trying to bully us before we handed her over to the US.

Now that the US is taking ownership of it, i'm not sure they'll bother with the canucks anymore.
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I mean I hope you're right, but I'm skeptical.

Our AG can overrule any decision of the courts re:extradition, so unless and until the courts either deny her extradition, or Lametti prevents it, I think we are squarely in the crosshairs.

Plus, China wants to show the world what the consequences are when you side with the Yanks against them.
 
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