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Wayward DP said:
feelings determine how most people vote so maybe the Liberals should take them more seriously
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they absolutely should have. But there's only so much you can do to stop a firehose of shit spraying 24/7/365, like all the Trump misinformation, and ppl like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson saying many times that Canada is now a dictatorship lol. It's idiotic, but that doesn't mean people don't believe it.
 
The thing with Trudeau is…while we don’t have official term limits in Canada, if you go back through Canadian history, the Canadian public has time and again been willing to give PM’s a maximum of ten years in power before they get sick of them.

Anyone who tries to keep going beyond that mark usually ends up courting electoral disaster. But Trudeau has enough hubris that he thinks he can buck this trend, I guess.
 
axlsalinger said:
they absolutely should have. But there's only so much you can do to stop a firehose of shit spraying 24/7/365, like all the Trump misinformation, and ppl like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson saying many times that Canada is now a dictatorship lol. It's idiotic, but that doesn't mean people don't believe it.
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nah this is not what I am talking about it.

it's the constant preaching in the press that basically tells average Canadians they are full of shit if they have complaints.

sure, there's a brutal right wing information world out there manufacturing all kinds of bullshit. but the Liberals have had so so so many self-inflicted wounds. I still don't know that I've seen a single cabinet member of member of the PMO actually acknowledge that inflation has led to hardship for many people. that would be a good starting point, and a damn low bar...
 
Wayward DP said:
inflation
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ah yes, I forgot about this one. Turns out worldwide inflation following a once-in-a-century pandemic was ... Justin Trudeau's fault.

Also, you're talking in absolutes. I'm sure somebody somewhere sometime has commented that inflation is bad for people. If everyone in the cabinet tweeted this out, it would move his approval rating ... 0%.
 
axlsalinger said:
ah yes, I forgot about this one. Turns out worldwide inflation following a once-in-a-century pandemic was ... Justin Trudeau's fault.

Also, you're talking in absolutes. I'm sure somebody somewhere sometime has commented that inflation is bad for people. If everyone in the cabinet tweeted this out, it would move his approval rating ... 0%.
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your replies embody the exact Trudeau approach that I am currently criticizing (and that I will admit I was also previously guilty of). the proof is kind of in the pudding at this point, but carry on.
 
Wayward DP said:
your replies embody the exact Trudeau approach that I am currently criticizing (and that I will admit I was also previously guilty of). the proof is kind of in the pudding at this point, but carry on.
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What approach is that exactly, acknowledging reality? There was worldwide inflation post-covid, steps were taken to address it in Canada like in other countries, it seems to be relatively under control now.

I think ultimately we're both agreeing that the shitstorm of misinformation is a huge problem, but that the Liberals haven't done themselves any favours with their messaging. There's only so much that can do though, ultimately LGM is right in that nobody stays in power this long without a massive backlash. It happens every time.
 
If people are "pissed" about the carbon tax and cap gains tax increases, we're fucking lost.

Both are programs that make the people/organizations who benefit the most from our systems, pay more for our systems. The idea that someone who works 40-50 hrs a week and makes 80-100K a year would pay a significantly higher marginal rate to someone who received over 250K in capital gains income is a deeply warped system. That 1st guy making 80-100K a year being pissed on behalf of the 2nd guy is nuts.
 
axlsalinger said:
What approach is that exactly, acknowledging reality?
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its the constant talking down to voters.
axlsalinger said:
There was worldwide inflation post-covid, steps were taken to address it in Canada like in other countries, it seems to be relatively under control now.
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whether true or not (and I would generally agree with you here), what matters is the perception of voters. and only now are we starting to see the Libs realize that.
axlsalinger said:
I think ultimately we're both agreeing that the shitstorm of misinformation is a huge problem, but that the Liberals haven't done themselves any favours with their messaging. There's only so much that can do though, ultimately LGM is right in that nobody stays in power this long without a massive backlash. It happens every time.
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this is also true.
 
MindzEye said:
If people are "pissed" about the carbon tax and cap gains tax increases, we're fucking lost.

Both are programs that make the people/organizations who benefit the most from our systems, pay more for our systems. The idea that someone who works 40-50 hrs a week and makes 80-100K a year would pay a significantly higher marginal rate to someone who received over 250K in capital gains income is a deeply warped system. That 1st guy making 80-100K a year being pissed on behalf of the 2nd guy is nuts.
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okay, fine. but the big failure here is to reduce these programs to digestible talking points that will resonate with voters.

the Trudeau gov did an absolutely terrible, terrible job explaining the carbon tax to the population. that was a super easy own goal.

same with the capital gains tax.

both are good policies, and both are policies I support. but to the extent they are unpopular, I attribute a lot of that to failures in messaging (see: Dems). the slanted media coverage doesn't help either but that's the current reality now and left of center political parties need to work within it.

anyways, at this point kinda seems like the damage is done to this government and nothing is gonna save them. but it did not have to be this way!
 
leafman101 said:
More taxes in election years probably isn't the smartest strategy.

You're supposed to make the people like you. Promise taco tuesdays.
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Yeah, agreed that it's bad optics because people are fucking dumb. It's a tax increase that impacts the top 0.13% of Canadian individuals and businesses. But because "tax bad", here we are raging on behalf of our betters all the way to a conservative majority.
 
Unfortunately for Trudeau he is beyond reasons mastering. He is outright hated by many many people. Our only hope at pp not being prime minister is a leadership change that doesn't appear to happening until after the lose the election
 
UWHabs said:
Yeah, that's a ridiculous take. "Hey, we're going to lose big, let's change the rules of the game because totally nobody is going to be upset at that."
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Let's be real, we were only ever going to get systemic change when it was self serving to the party in power. Hopefully Justin is rattled about his legacy and does it. Let's fucking go.
 
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