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Stinky said:
SUPERMAJORITY!

Nova Scotia is blue.
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Enjoy Timmy continuing to funnel your tax dollars to his rich buddies and developers while more and more Nova Scotians cannot find family doctors, HRM experiences the worst traffic and gridlock in its history, and no one can afford the ever-increasing rents.

I was thinking this morning about any single thing Houston did that I supported and was drawing blanks. I mean, I’m sure there is something, just not coming to mind today.

Oh, cannot forget Timmy’s plans to remove bridge tolls, which will have the double whammy of making traffic worse by inducing demand, and likely lead to deterioration of the bridges themselves without the commission dedicated to maintaining them.

And no plan for climate change. No real plan for transit. A bad plan for housing. Dunno how he plans to fix healthcare.

Why oh why did the anti-incumbency sentiment not make it here…
 
Wayward DP said:
Enjoy Timmy continuing to funnel your tax dollars to his rich buddies and developers while more and more Nova Scotians cannot find family doctors, HRM experiences the worst traffic and gridlock in its history, and no one can afford the ever-increasing rents.

I was thinking this morning about any single thing Houston did that I supported and was drawing blanks. I mean, I’m sure there is something, just not coming to mind today.

Oh, cannot forget Timmy’s plans to remove bridge tolls, which will have the double whammy of making traffic worse by inducing demand, and likely lead to deterioration of the bridges themselves without the commission dedicated to maintaining them.

And no plan for climate change. No real plan for transit. A bad plan for housing. Dunno how he plans to fix healthcare.

Why oh why did the anti-incumbency sentiment not make it here…
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I suspect that the average age of the NS electorate is a bit older and whiter than most other provinces.
 
Wayward DP said:

View: https://x.com/DrJacobsRad/status/1860906104244277691
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While I sympathize on the macro, can just a tiny bit of common sense be applied there?

We have to establish a few facts here:

- We live in a free society and people in a free society are allowed to have terrible ideas
- It doesn't become criminal until those bad ideas turn into bad actions/incitement to violence/violence
- Once a situation has become violent, it's too late to put the toothpaste back into the tube
- Sadly yes, being visibly jewish close to a pro palestinian protest has the potential to provoke them. Recognizing this reality is not agreeing with, or excusing it.
- Once provoked, whatever police would be dispatched to keep an eye on the situation could potentially be insufficient to protect a visibly jewish person from that mob. Yes, every single douchebag who harmed said Jewish person should be held accountable by the criminal justice system, but again toothpaste and tube.

I don't see what the police did wrong. Their job is to protect public safety, not public feelings. They shouldn't be breaking out the batons, war horses and water canons every time a few dozen people with palestine flags start yelling in public. Those nitwits have the same right to hold terrible ideas and perform public acts of protest over them as the rest of us do. But it's just fucking pragmatic to recognize the potential for it turning violent, and make a suggestion for the person and their family to leave the area....because that police officer was not confident that they could ensure him and his family's safety if shit went sideways. I would much, much rather have this be the reality of the situation than be on the news later because my family and I got assaulted. He had the right to ignore the police request and stay, they weren't going to arrest him for being there. But sometimes it's not about having the right to do something, it's whether something is worth being done.

Is it a problem that we have a bunch of idiots in society who could potentially be triggered to violence like this? Obviously. But again, even idiots have rights to be idiots and once the violence starts it really stops mattering whether or not you're in the right, it's just too late.
 
MindzEye said:
While I sympathize on the macro, can just a tiny bit of common sense be applied there?

We have to establish a few facts here:

- We live in a free society and people in a free society are allowed to have terrible ideas
- It doesn't become criminal until those bad ideas turn into bad actions/incitement to violence/violence
- Once a situation has become violent, it's too late to put the toothpaste back into the tube
- Sadly yes, being visibly jewish close to a pro palestinian protest has the potential to provoke them. Recognizing this reality is not agreeing with, or excusing it.
- Once provoked, whatever police would be dispatched to keep an eye on the situation could potentially be insufficient to protect a visibly jewish person from that mob. Yes, every single douchebag who harmed said Jewish person should be held accountable by the criminal justice system, but again toothpaste and tube.

I don't see what the police did wrong. Their job is to protect public safety, not public feelings. They shouldn't be breaking out the batons, war horses and water canons every time a few dozen people with palestine flags start yelling in public. Those nitwits have the same right to hold terrible ideas and perform public acts of protest over them as the rest of us do. But it's just fucking pragmatic to recognize the potential for it turning violent, and make a suggestion for the person and their family to leave the area....because that police officer was not confident that they could ensure him and his family's safety if shit went sideways. I would much, much rather have this be the reality of the situation than be on the news later because my family and I got assaulted. He had the right to ignore the police request and stay, they weren't going to arrest him for being there. But sometimes it's not about having the right to do something, it's whether something is worth being done.

Is it a problem that we have a bunch of idiots in society who could potentially be triggered to violence like this? Obviously. But again, even idiots have rights to be idiots and once the violence starts it really stops mattering whether or not you're in the right, it's just too late.
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for me it is as simple as no one from any easily identified minority group should be prohibited from being in public places, solely because of their identity.

if we've reached that point, we fucked up badly.
 
I mean, you're basically saying:

"yeah, the protesters hate Jews and may harm them, just cause they are Jews"

"knowing that the protesters want to harm Jews, the obvious solution is to make sure there are no Jews in public"

I just cannot get behind that. you're effectively punishing the minority group for folks hating them and wishing them harm. and shunning them from public life.
 
this isn't a case of someone going to one of these events only to make a scene. dude was just out with his family. if it's not safe for Jews to be out and about and looking Jewish, what the fuck does that say about our current society?
 
Wayward DP said:
for me it is as simple as no one from any easily identified minority group should be prohibited from being in public places, solely because of their identity.

if we've reached that point, we fucked up badly.
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Crime and violence are an inextricable part of living in a society, whether the violence is economic, racial, political, etc in nature. Taking precaution against that violence is a necessary part of living in society. imo this is no different than having a cop give you a little nudge because you're out walking at midnight in a bad neighbourhood with a rolex visibly on your wrist. Everyone should be safe everywhere and it's an indictment on society when the reality is otherwise, but it is what it is.

Fwiw, he wasn't "prohibited". The police asked him to leave for his and his family's safety. Big, big difference.
 
MindzEye said:
Crime and violence are an inextricable part of living in a society, whether the violence is economic, racial, political, etc in nature. Taking precaution against that violence is a necessary part of living in society. imo this is no different than having a cop give you a little nudge because you're out walking at midnight in a bad neighbourhood with a rolex visibly on your wrist. Everyone should be safe everywhere and it's an indictment on society when the reality is otherwise, but it is what it is.

Fwiw, he wasn't "prohibited". The police asked him to leave for his and his family's safety. Big, big difference.
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and the only reason his safety may be jeopardized is because he was visibly Jewish. nothing about his political views.

so the cops themselves seem to recognize these protests as being fundamentally anti-Jew. and yet they continue, but the Jews are told to steer clear for their own safety.

like, if a group of neo-nazis were marching and the black people nearby out running their errands were just told to leave, for them and their family's safety, do you think there would be a similar reaction?
 
well, shit, I probably would’ve told the man with small children who found himself in the middle of a pro Palestine march to try leave the area also, tbh.
 
It's two separate things.

Is it a sad state that he and his family have to be asked to leave the area? Yes. Is it wrong on a societal level? Yes.

Did the cops do anything wrong? No.
 
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