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Parliament is apparently prorogued until March 24. which is not very much time for the Libs to pick a new leader.

imagine as soon as Parliament reconvenes in March, the government will fall and we'll be in an election campaign. so going to the polls in April or May.

UNLESS Jagmeet finds a reason to prop up JT's replacement until fall...
 
UNLESS Jagmeet finds a reason to prop up JT's replacement until fall...

Liberals should give him a reason tbh (any middle class centric healthcare or childcare policy will do). They need time. Seeing official opposition status as a win for the NDP when it's the toothless opposition against a massive Conservative majority would be a very NDP move though, yeah.

The right move for all of the opposition parties is to push this back as far as they can, and spend the time working on clawing back support in specific regions and ridings they're competitive in but currently behind Cons in.
 
This is the only scrap of hope I have left. That PP wins a plurality of seats, but is denied a majority.

Though I think Justin has left it too late for even that to be a possibility.
that, and I think we have the same problem as the Americans where what folks believe about our country and our economy may not be consistent with what the objective data says
 
Just popped over to Elon’s website for a taste of how Conservatives and Elon-bots are reacting to this news.

And there is an entertainingly high amount of wailing and caterwauling about how Trudeau proroguing parliament to avoid a confidence vote he was certain to lose means Canada isn’t a democracy anymore.

Never mind that when Harper did the exact same thing back in 2008, these same chuds rode to his defense and claimed he was somehow defending against an anti-democratic coup.
 
Just popped over to Elon’s website for a taste of how Conservatives and Elon-bots are reacting to this news.

And there is an entertainingly high amount of wailing and caterwauling about how Trudeau proroguing parliament to avoid a confidence vote he was certain to lose means Canada isn’t a democracy anymore.

Never mind that when Harper did the exact same thing back in 2008, these same chuds rode to his defense and claimed he was somehow defending against an anti-democratic coup.
JT at least has the legit excuse of resigning and needing time to find a replacement. don't remember how Harper justified it...
 
This is the only scrap of hope I have left. That PP wins a plurality of seats, but is denied a majority.

Though I think Justin has left it too late for even that to be a possibility.

I don't think there's a good chance, but there is a chance imo. Liberals policies are more popular than Trudeau himself was, and they have some policy wins that they can run on. But....but....fucking but....they need to learn the lesson the Democrats taught us, and they need to provide a functioning worldview that is aspirational to voters. Big visions of how they're going to move the country forward. PP has grievance and change buzzwords. The Liberals need to propose their own transformational change platform.

Talk healthcare, talk housing, talk transportation and tie that all in with cost and quality of life. They should probably consider running on at minimum heavily amending the carbon tax, up to entirely getting rid of it. They've lost the messaging battle badly on it and it needs a heavy re work. A few years ago just adjusting it so that it wasn't charged after GST was applied (the old tax on a tax manuever) probably would have sufficed, but today I don't think so.
 
JT at least has the legit excuse of resigning and needing time to find a replacement. don't remember how Harper justified it...


Harper, the entire CPC communications apparatus and every Conservative-leaning media outlet in Canada immediately kicked into gear and argued that as the party with the plurality of seats in parliament, they had a mandate to govern.

And that the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition that had come together and agreed to take down and replace his government amounted to an undemocratic coup attempt. And that by proroguing parliament to stop them and remain in power, he was defending democracy.

Since the majority of people apparently have no idea how our parliamentary democracy functions, after months of aggressively hammering on that argument, Harper eventually persuaded a majority of voters over to his side and the coalition fell apart.
 
Just popped over to Elon’s website for a taste of how Conservatives and Elon-bots are reacting to this news.

And there is an entertainingly high amount of wailing and caterwauling about how Trudeau proroguing parliament to avoid a confidence vote he was certain to lose means Canada isn’t a democracy anymore.

Never mind that when Harper did the exact same thing back in 2008, these same chuds rode to his defense and claimed he was somehow defending against an anti-democratic coup.

I was against proroguing then, and am now. Proroguing should not be used as a tool to ensure your government does not fall. However, that said,
Canada is basically a four year dictatorship, has been since the PMOs a few decades ago assumed all power.
 
I don't think there's a good chance, but there is a chance imo. Liberals policies are more popular than Trudeau himself was, and they have some policy wins that they can run on. But....but....fucking but....they need to learn the lesson the Democrats taught us, and they need to provide a functioning worldview that is aspirational to voters. Big visions of how they're going to move the country forward. PP has grievance and change buzzwords. The Liberals need to propose their own transformational change platform.

Talk healthcare, talk housing, talk transportation and tie that all in with cost and quality of life. They should probably consider running on at minimum heavily amending the carbon tax, up to entirely getting rid of it. They've lost the messaging battle badly on it and it needs a heavy re work. A few years ago just adjusting it so that it wasn't charged after GST was applied (the old tax on a tax manuever) probably would have sufficed, but today I don't think so.

Come up with a completely new environment plan. Tell ppl that foreign countries will pay for it. Carbon tax rebranded as others pay for it.

And run on PP being Trump.
 
Harper, the entire CPC communications apparatus and every Conservative-leaning media outlet in Canada immediately kicked into gear and argued that as the party with the plurality of seats in parliament, they had a mandate to govern.

And that the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition that had come together and agreed to take down and replace his government amounted to an undemocratic coup attempt. And that by proroguing parliament to stop them and remain in power, he was defending democracy.

Since the majority of people apparently have no idea how our parliamentary democracy functions, after months of aggressively hammering on that argument, Harper eventually persuaded a majority of voters over to his side and the coalition fell apart.
gotcha, thanks.

so the Libs can use the Harper talking point, which I'm sure PP will reject (despite supporting it back in the day). hilarious.
 
To live up to its enduring promise, Canada must repair what is broken

wo decades ago, I wrote: “Sometime, not too long ago, while no one was watching, Canada became the world’s most successful country.”

The culture of accommodation that we evolved more than a century and a half ago as a way for the French and English populations to co-exist had proved to be ideally suited, I believed, to bringing millions of people from all parts of the world to this country, where they lived, worked and played together in harmony.

“Canadians have used politeness to foment a social revolution,” I said. “And from that revolution, our Canada has emerged – young, creative, polyglot, open-minded, forward-looking, fabulous.”

I’m not sure that’s still true.

...


Canada’s aging society has placed a serious burden on the young. Many of them lack income security and can’t afford to buy or even rent their own place. They’re angry, and who can blame them?

For more than three decades, the public health care system has been flashing red, but no one had the will or means to address emerging shortages. Today, there aren’t enough doctors, nurses, support workers, acute-care beds, long-term-care beds – you name it.

The federal Liberal government sought to address labour shortages and increase the population by bringing in more permanent residents, temporary foreign workers and students. But the system spiralled out of control, undermining public support for open immigration.

Western anger at an intrusive federal government dominated by central Canadian political elites is even greater today than it was thirty and forty years ago. Governments in Alberta and Saskatchewan speak openly of sovereignty for their provinces within Confederation. Meanwhile, the separatist Parti Québécois is favoured, according to polls, to win the next Quebec election.

Multicultural tolerance has eroded. Islamic worshipers and families have been the target of deadly violence, while hate crimes against Jews have skyrocketed. Foreign governments foment division within various communities and within Canadian society.

We have surrendered some of our most precious public spaces – sidewalks and parks and neighbourhoods – to troubled people struggling with homelessness and dependence.

The Western alliance in which Canada is imbedded appears to be in decline. Russia has brazenly invaded Ukraine, China rattles its formidable sabres and the United States, this country’s closest ally, is acting more like an antagonist, as president-elect Donald Trump threatens Canada with crippling tariffs and derisively refers to us as a 51st state.

Finally, efforts to confront systemic discrimination against women, against sexual and gender minorities, against racial minorities and Indigenous peoples, against those with physical and mental challenges have devolved into screeds that question the very legitimacy of Canada itself, condemning the country as a society of racist, oppressive colonizers.
 
I was again proroguing then, and am now. Proroguing should not be used as a tool to ensure your government does not fall. However, that said,
Canada is basically a four year dictatorship, has been since the PMOs a few decades ago assumed all power.
The first minister has been a myth my entire life.
 
I think he's serious too.
that does box PP into a bit of a corner at least, because I don't think that's yet a popular position in Canada at large.

but give the right wing ragebait echo chamber a few weeks or months, and I suspect and fear that opinions are gonna change. and more and more Canadians are going to like the idea of being the 51st state. especially if we experience immediate economic pain when trumpy is sworn in.
 
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