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that's all well and good but i hope underlying it all is a realization that Trump would rather partner with Russia on everything than Nato countries.

thankfully, Carney's world tour so far has been a precision-bombing run lining up a new US-less NATO world order for us, so i think he understands the stakes.

i know many think we have to bend over and take it from trump but i don't think those people understand the reality of what's going on.

the ONLY option here is to legit built a CAN-AU-UK-EURO bloq on every possible level. that it the ONLY way our economies can possibly have enough leverage in the new trumpworld global order.
Ya agree with this. With the U.S. taking a turn, the big global powers are now all authoritarian and want to run their “spheres of influence”. The only hope for medium and small democratic powers is to band together and stick together. Kinda sucks being the only one one on this side of the pond.

And even if we accomplish that alliance, there will be constant attempts to sow division and break it up. Interesting new world for the second half of my life I guess. Yay.
 
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that's all well and good but i hope underlying it all is a realization that Trump would rather partner with Russia on everything than Nato countries.

thankfully, Carney's world tour so far has been a precision-bombing run lining up a new US-less NATO world order for us, so i think he understands the stakes.

i know many think we have to bend over and take it from trump but i don't think those people understand the reality of what's going on.

the ONLY option here is to legit built a CAN-AU-UK-EURO bloq on every possible level. that it the ONLY way our economies can possibly have enough leverage in the new trumpworld global order.

100%, I'm not saying that's all he's doing or saying. Just what his approach specifically with Trump is going to be. The obvious path forward for us as a nation, Trump or no Trump, is to deepen ties with our other natural allies in Europe and Asia and decouple as much as possible from the US.
 
There was a very brief period where Doug sounded like he had figured out that any “negotiations” with a country threatening your sovereignty is going to be fruitless and that’s when I voiced my support.

But he did not, in fact, have that figured out.



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So, for no reason in particular I've been figuring out what the drone industry in Canada is like....and it's really, really good from a technology standpoint (which probably shouldn't be surprising). I'm going to predict that it pivots pretty seamlessly into developing military drones. We kind of have a military drone industry already, but in very Canadian fashion it's not based around delivering ordinance, but intel, supply delivery, communications, mapping, etc. Pretty sure we could strap some european missiles to one of them pretty quickly.
 


Here's something not really being said in the US conversation on the future of their military when they go it alone like they appear to intend to.

They can't actually afford it. They didn't take a bunch of nation partners on to the F-35 program because they were really nice guys who wanted to make sure we all had the same kick ass planes as they do. It was as a way to guarantee that the cost per plane would get down to a reasonable and affordable enough number for them to be able to afford enough of them to replace the set of aging airframes they were looking to move on from that were still in service. Get enough countries in on it, and the economies of scale of ordering 2-3x in total as many of them as what the US by itself had the need of, and now a 1.5-2 Trillion dollar program becomes viable.

If you look at a lot of what the US has developed by itself over the last ~15 years

- The Gerald Ford class carriers are Nimitz class hulls with technology improvements and it was getting cheaper to just build new ships than it was to do another major retrofit of the carrier fleet again. Most of the development was parallel development in things like nuclear power, and incremental development of things like the catapult system, radars, etc.

- Similarly, they re-used the F-15 system to created the EX variant with a bunch of new toys because their last air superiority project produced an insanely good plane that cost a metric fuckton of money and they had to cut the fleet order in half but still needed new birds

- The new Abrahms is the old Abrahms with new systems, similar to

- They fucked up the Zumwalt program to replace the Arleigh Burke destroyers and burnt a lot of money along the way. The Navy is now just ordering new Arleigh Burke's, which are on par with the Type 45's the Brits developed, but not better. They're mid development into the DDG program and that program has turned into another goat fuck with the cost of each hull recently getting revised to 2.5B each. The Frigate being developed in parallel will now cost 1.4B per hull, up from 1B.

It's all updates to old systems that worked, and new development failures that didn't, even when it produced incredible equipment (F-22) it was so wildly expensive that they couldn't afford them.

I wouldn't be remotely surprised if their NGAD 6th gen project turned into another circus and one of the two competing western 6th gen programs beat them to market with a fighter more advanced than the F-35 is.
 
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