New Canadian Politics Thread

[manny]

If I had told you 60 days ago that 5 weeks out from the election, the chances of a PP government was somewhere in the 20% range and that it was almost guaranteed to be a minority if he did win....you would still have the erection from that.

We're playing with house money

Conservative chances of winning the most seats currently 2% on the 338Canada aggregator (lots of time left though)

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

 

[MindzEye]

Conservative chances of winning the most seats currently 2% on the 338Canada aggregator (lots of time left though)

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

There you go, even my optimistic take was dark and shit compared to the reality

 

[Artnes]

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Also this was really misleading framing of what he’s promising. I doubt a lot of people will actually dig into it further than the headline.

They are trying to following the Trump playbook. Make Groceries Cheap Again

 

[lecoqsportif]

If it applies to pension income, I’m sure it would be very popular.

No doubt. But it applies to working seniors.

 

[Preston]

Crafty politician vs nooby. Carney markets his plan as a 1 percentage point cut. PP says 15%. And yeah most people think it's a 14 point difference.

In saying that, the cut largely targets the lower class so it's hardly the worst conservative policy I've ever heard. The issue is, it depends and relies on significant cuts elsewhere. And he ain't gonna promote what he plans on cutting!

 

[manny]

NDP down to 6 seats in the projection. Singh’s riding, Burnaby Central is rated as “likely Liberal.” Ouch.

 

[MindzEye]

NDP down to 6 seats in the projection. Singh’s riding, Burnaby Central is rated as “likely Liberal.” Ouch.

We united the left without inviting the NDP apparently

 

[zeke]

would've been in the NDP's interest to merge with the Libs.

there's only two sides anymore. splitting votes on one side is a forever loser.

 

[MapleLeafBlueJayBoy]

would've been in the NDP's interest to merge with the Libs.

there's only two sides anymore. splitting votes on one side is a forever loser.

Now its too late for them. They are an afterthought.

 

[manny]

Merging never made sense for the Liberals. It would have just weakened their brand.

 

[axlsalinger]

This seems like a silly argument to me, but let's discuss it. Is the main reason to get security clearance about uncovering any skeletons in the closet, to keep the candidates aware of current security issues, or both?

Is there any legitimacy to this idea?


View: https://x.com/ryangerritsen/status/1904749959863243136?t=V2nyaz-l_2Ns49ibXovV5w&s=19

 

[zeke]

View: https://x.com/stevenchase/status/1904929929818759344

 

[manny]

This seems like a silly argument to me, but let's discuss it. Is the main reason to get security clearance about uncovering any skeletons in the closet, to keep the candidates aware of current security issues, or both?

Is there any legitimacy to this idea?


View: https://x.com/ryangerritsen/status/1904749959863243136?t=V2nyaz-l_2Ns49ibXovV5w&s=19

He could still get a security clearance and not accept a briefing on certain issues if that was really the concern.

But it’s a dumb argument anyway IMO. He wouldn’t be able to disclose intelligence information he is briefed on, but it’s not like sensitive topics are suddenly completely off the table.

Simplest explanation is that he has reason to suspect he will fail the screening.

 

[Wayward DP]

View: https://x.com/stevenchase/status/1904929929818759344

I think they should keep hammering this point:

Mr. Carney dismissed Mr. Poilievre’s accusations, saying the Conservative Leader is ignorant. “Mr. Poilievre doesn’t understand the world. Mr. Poilievre is a lifelong politician. It’s all he’s ever done – his slogans, sound bites, slander,” the Liberal Leader said.

 

[MapleLeafBlueJayBoy]

How can he be Prime Minister without a security clearance?

 

[worm]

Crafty politician vs nooby. Carney markets his plan as a 1 percentage point cut. PP says 15%. And yeah most people think it's a 14 point difference.

In saying that, the cut largely targets the lower class so it's hardly the worst conservative policy I've ever heard. The issue is, it depends and relies on significant cuts elsewhere. And he ain't gonna promote what he plans on cutting!

It's the classic "increase programs and decease taxes" promise

 

[LeafGm]

How can he be Prime Minister without a security clearance?

The same way an insurrectionist and convicted felon can become POTUS.

If enough voters decide they don’t give a shit, then it doesn’t matter.

 

[hockeylover]

Think it should really raise alarm bells when politicians start off by flouting widely accepted norms/standards of their position and provide reasoning that doesn't really pass a smell test.

We've seen this film already.

 

[LeafGm]

would've been in the NDP's interest to merge with the Libs.

there's only two sides anymore. splitting votes on one side is a forever loser.

I know you’ve been banging this drum for a while—that the best possible political system is one that emulates the United States’ purely binary political system. I wholeheartedly disagree, though.

In my mind, the ideal system is one where you can still have a full spectrum of differing political views represented by different parties, but where you have a way of eliminating the possibility that a party opposed by a strong majority of voters can end up winning the essentially absolute power that comes with winning a majority.

Whether that’s ranked balloting, run-off elections, proportional representation or something else is up for debate. But I still think that’s the best possible system.

 

[Wayward DP]

I know you’ve been banging this drum for a while—that the best possible political system is one that emulates the United States’ purely binary political system. I wholeheartedly disagree, though.

In my mind, the ideal system is one where you can still have a full spectrum of differing political views represented by different parties, but where you have a way of eliminating the possibility that a party opposed by a strong majority of voters can end up winning the essentially absolute power that comes with winning a majority.

Whether that’s ranked balloting, run-off elections, proportional representation or something else is up for debate. But I still think that’s the best possible system.

I haven't really seen any compelling arguments against ranked ballots.

the key danger in my view is empowering extremists on both ends of the spectrum - just look at what Israel's PR has done there. ranked ballots seem like a guard against extremism. force folks towards the centre.