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hockeylover said:
I’m still nervous, mostly because the US election scarred me and made me fearful of too many dumb people running around.
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100%. Honestly, I feel more dread and anxiety about the Canadian election now than I did a few months ago.

Still though, it’s an improvement. Since before, I was just resigned to the horrible reality that not only would Poilievre be our next PM, but he’d almost certainly rule over us with a strong, unchecked majority government.

Anyway, April 28th can’t come fast enough.
 
hockeylover said:
I’m still nervous, mostly because the US election scarred me and made me fearful of too many dumb people running around.
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yeah, this is basically where I am at.

my faith in humanity has been perhaps forever rattled by what happened in America.

and while we are definitely no America, we are perhaps the closest thing to a mini me that they have. and now the propagandists who spent years turning Americans into angry dummies have their sights set on us.

so I am pretty concerned.

if the polls are to be believed though, that concern is not currently warranted. one thing I do fear is that if PP loses, his replacement will be even crazier and basically go full Trump. and if Carney cannot make things magically improve with the US destroying the world economy, he would be held accountable and the crazier version of PP would win in 4 years.

but for now, just need to focus on the 2025 election I suppose
 
Wayward DP said:
if the polls are to be believed though, that concern is not currently warranted. one thing I do fear is that if PP loses, his replacement will be even crazier and basically go full Trump. and if Carney cannot make things magically improve with the US destroying the world economy, he would be held accountable and the crazier version of PP would win in 4 years.
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I know this is out-of-character for me, but I’m actually kind of optimistic where this is concerned, from looking at the path the CPC’s taken since Harper.

Scheer was a complete wingnut who tried cosplaying as a moderate, but then lost.

Next they tried Erin O’Toole, who had to cosplay as a wingnut to win the CPC leadership, but then tacked back over to the center for the general election, then lost.

After this, I think the conclusion the party faithful and leadership came to is that they needed to stop being wishy-washy and fully and unapologetically embrace nasty, attack-dog, culture war, Trump-style hard-right politics. And that’s what led them to Poilievre.

And that’s why Poilievre is doggedly still sticking with the attack-dog, culture warrior, far-right approach he’s run with since becoming leader, even with the shifting polls. I think that he’s convinced that trying to move back towards the center like Scheer & O’Toole did is a proven loser of a strategy for them, so he’s going to stick with the approach that carried him this far.

And if he loses, particularly if he loses badly, if the wingnuts in the party try to argue that they need to become even more Trumpy than Poilievre or move even farther over to the right, I think it’s far more likely the party splits up into something resembling its old PC/Reform factions than it is they turn the party leadership over to people even more cuckoo-bananas than the likes of Poilievre & Byrne while holding their big tent together.
 
BG said:
Making the facebook rounds with Conservative voters:
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and it's mostly made up...

- The dollar is trading in the same range as it historically does and it's being in the lower range of that is definitely influenced by Trump's trade war
- Calling our healthcare "broken" is a stretch....also, that's a provincial scope and the two provinces leading the "breaking" are run by Conservatives.
- 4 million refugees? What in the racist bullshit is this? This is a made up number. For example, in 2024 the total amount of claimants (not approved refugees...just total amount of people who showed up at our border and claimed asylum) was 171K. In 2023, we only approved 37K asylum claims, the rest of the claimants are either deported from the country or become illegals. The current estimate is that we have between 300-600K undocumented immigrants in the country fwiw....not 4 fucking million.
- What hard drugs were legalized? Did someone declare a good time and not invite me? Are we talking about weed?
- Doubled our national debt: It's not quite double, but sure it's gone up. Lemme see if we can spot exactly when and why it went up though...
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Something must have happened between 2020-22...might need to look into that.
 
LeafGm said:
I know this is out-of-character for me, but I’m actually kind of optimistic where this is concerned, from looking at the path the CPC’s taken since Harper.

Scheer was a complete wingnut who tried cosplaying as a moderate, but then lost.

Next they tried Erin O’Toole, who had to cosplay as a wingnut to win the CPC leadership, but then tacked back over to the center for the general election, then lost.

After this, I think the conclusion the party faithful and leadership came to is that they needed to stop being wishy-washy and fully and unapologetically embrace nasty, attack-dog, culture war, Trump-style hard-right politics. And that’s what led them to Poilievre.

And that’s why Poilievre is doggedly still sticking with the attack-dog, culture warrior, far-right approach he’s run with since becoming leader, even with the shifting polls. I think that he’s convinced that trying to move back towards the center like Scheer & O’Toole did is a proven loser of a strategy for them, so he’s going to stick with the approach that carried him this far.

And if he loses, particularly if he loses badly, if the wingnuts in the party try to argue that they need to become even more Trumpy than Poilievre or move even farther over to the right, I think it’s far more likely the party splits up into something resembling its old PC/Reform factions than it is they turn the party leadership over to people even more cuckoo-bananas than the likes of Poilievre & Byrne while holding their big tent together.
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so I think we may actually agree here. it seems to me like we're approaching a floor of craziness in Canada. if 30% of Canadian voters are basically Canadian Trumpers, I think we have a pretty huge problem moving forward.
 
Wayward DP said:
so I think we may actually agree here. it seems to me like we're approaching a floor of craziness in Canada. if 30% of Canadian voters are basically Canadian Trumpers, I think we have a pretty huge problem moving forward.
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I’m not convinced that 30% of Canadians are Trumpers. 30% of Albertans? Absolutely. 30% of CPC supporters? Probably true as well.

But for Canada as a whole, that number seems high to me, considering the polling on Canadian support for annexation has pretty consistently stayed at about 10%.
 
anne25 said:
So what happens if Carney doesn’t win in his chosen riding.
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It’s an exceedingly unlikely scenario, considering the riding has elected its Liberal candidate in every election since it was created in 1988. And in the last two elections, the Liberal candidate won by margins of about 12%.
 
anne25 said:
So what happens if Carney doesn’t win in his chosen riding.
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But the Liberals still win the election? A liberal back bencher resigns and Carney runs there in a bye election.

But the chances of this are slim, whatever Denley is saying in the Citizen this morning.

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