JaysCyYoung
Legend
I'd like to know before I submit any payment this year, because I find that to be incredibly arbitrary and unfair.
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The Green Hornet
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i think it is a bit unreasonable to trade a pick with lottery protection that at the time was top 5 and then expect the lottery protection to change to top 8 when the rule changed. i think the intent of the original trade was obviously top 5 protection and see it being treated that way as fair to all party's involved
JaysCyYoung
Legend
Feel free to find a new manager then.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
Just so I have this straight, your solution to the problem is to not weigh in at all while the discussion is being discussed, despite us waiting for weeks, then cry like a bitch about it 6 months later?
JaysCyYoung
Legend
The time it was being discussed coincided with a period when I was not on the website. Nor did I "cry like a bitch" about it. I dispute the arbitrary cut-off of the apparently agreed-upon solution though.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
I don't know what you mean by "arbitrary cut-off". Certainly it was a tough issue with no easy resolution. And threatening to take your ball and go home is crying like a bitch.
At any rate, it sounds like Soco is willing to wait, thanks for offering that, man. If that works to everybody's satisfaction, what is the end result? Jays retains his 6th overall pick this year, and Soco would own Jays' 2016 1st rounder with no further strings attached?
Montana
Champion
100% agree.
Especially when the lottery protection is protecting two things....that the pick isn't top 5, and that the pick won't win the lottery and become McDavid. Neither of which the pick currently is. Hence Axl's fairly obvious/straightforward decision on the matter.
If soco wants it....it should be his. Period.
Gross.
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MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
I provided the proof in an earlier argument (as the pick belonged to me for a while) but the rule went in to effect after the trade, at the time of the trade it was a 5 team lottery. There was talk of changing it to an 8 team lottery at the time, but there is pretty regular talk of changing numerous rules that never gains traction.
Deckie007
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[video=youtube;6jUgWCAXxTQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jUgWCAXxTQ[/video]
Very much of this.
leafman101
Well-known member
I agree with Jays, and stated it at the time when the debate was going on, lottery protection means lottery protection, not top 3, 4, 5 or 20 protection.
That said it was definitely a grey issue, that received a ton of attention and debate, including people on Jays side, on a pick that had already been traded twice. So its not like Jays just got screwed here, or never got his point heard. Axl's decision was a fair one. Jays traded away the pick, the with caveat that it couldn't end up as McDavid. It's didn't end up as McDavid. I understand being disappointed, but the reality here is either way someone would be disappointed, so its lose/lose in that sense.
That said it was definitely a grey issue, that received a ton of attention and debate, including people on Jays side, on a pick that had already been traded twice. So its not like Jays just got screwed here, or never got his point heard. Axl's decision was a fair one. Jays traded away the pick, the with caveat that it couldn't end up as McDavid. It's didn't end up as McDavid. I understand being disappointed, but the reality here is either way someone would be disappointed, so its lose/lose in that sense.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
Well, we still need to figure out what we're doing here. It also looks like we're going to have to replace Soco as a team manager. While this incident was certainly not helpful in this regard, it isn't the sole reason, there are other issues at play (to be clear, this was 100% his decision, not mine). However, we are still going to have to make the option to take the # 6 pick available to the new owner. I have discussed this with several other league members, several times, and there's always only one real solution. When the trade was made, it was done with "lottery" protection, which at that time was a 5-team lottery. Obviously, it was meant to be top-5 protected and the point of that lottery protection was the hope of getting Connor McDavid. When the lottery increased to 8 afterwards, we decided to honour the McDavid intention of the trade if Jays were to win the lottery - otherwise, the pick would remain top-5 protected. I understand this situation is frustrating to a draftnik like Jays - but if you really want to make a first round pick, don't trade the pick.
Still need to hear from JCY that he understands and accepts this ruling. I really hate to lose ANY managers, but we can't be blackmailed either.
Also, going forward, any type of "provisional" or "future considerations" with regard to trades will need to be approved by the Competition Committee before the trade is approved. Please try to avoid them in general (they always seem to lead to problems down the road), but let me know by pm is a deal is struck that involves one going forward.
Still need to hear from JCY that he understands and accepts this ruling. I really hate to lose ANY managers, but we can't be blackmailed either.
Also, going forward, any type of "provisional" or "future considerations" with regard to trades will need to be approved by the Competition Committee before the trade is approved. Please try to avoid them in general (they always seem to lead to problems down the road), but let me know by pm is a deal is struck that involves one going forward.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
I don't agree with the decision, but I'll accept it. The league is too fun to leave over such a trivial issue anyways. I probably won't get the guy I really want in all likelihood, but it makes things more challenging picking ninth instead of sixth.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
axlsalinger
Well-known member
You mean 11th instead of 9th, right? Going by the draft pick thread, you've got pick 11 ... from what I can tell, Soco retained the right to swap his # 9 for # 6 which now belongs to Deckie ... damn that trade was confusing!
Also, good to hear you're sticking around.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
Yeah, I've got the 11th overall as a result of me trading Curtis Lazar to Jonas (who obtained Green Hornet's first round pick). And yes, preferably we will have much more straightforward deals in the future.
It's why I generally tend to shy away from massive multi-GM deals if possible. Tried to get creative here and it was confusing as hell for everyone. So let's avoid that in the future, shall we? Thankfully I've still got a first in this draft.