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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

zeke said:
Foligno was a 33yr old winger who'd scored at a 15gl/37pt pace the 3yrs before we traded for him.

Jenner is a 30yr old center who's scored at a 31/54pt pace the last 3yrs.
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The three year-split is a fun bit of spin here, considering the past two seasons were him scoring far above his career norms while getting a lot of ice-time and opportunity on a godawful team.

This very mediocre season he’s having this year is far more in line with the kind of production you can usually expect from him.
 
Jenner also has term at a nice AAV. No reason to get overly horny and blow the doors off with a crazy offer, I agree. But not sure I see the similarities. Might just be PTSD talking. It's the same concept as the McCabe trade, and you wouldn't even have to pay for retention on this one, though that would make it even sweeter!
 
I do agree that they should prioritize a top tier d. But then one may not be available. Jenner for 3 playoff runs isn't a bad option and wouldn't prevent them from grabbing a d in the next year or two at that aav.

It addresses a need for the next 3 playoffs without deploying much cap space. Not sure I see much downside unless you're trading a bunch of quality assets.
 
Preston said:
I do agree that they should prioritize a top tier d. But then one may not be available. Jenner for 3 playoff runs isn't a bad option and wouldn't prevent them from grabbing a d in the next year or two at that aav.

It addresses a need for the next 3 playoffs without deploying much cap space. Not sure I see much downside unless you're trading a bunch of quality assets.
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Yes, having the guy with two goals and four points in his last 20 playoff games for three playoff runs sure would be sweet.

Would go a long way towards making up for the fact that we no longer have Pierre Engvall and his playoff production.
 
Ok if you think he's shit and not even a 3rd line talent then I could see why one wouldn't like it. But even if you think he's a quality 3c, I'm not sure why he wouldn't be appealing at his AAV. And there's possibly even the option to get retention on him like they did with McCabe, which could be a worthwhile price to pay.

After all it's probably the cheapest and most guaranteed way they can address the Tavares Conundrum.

The only decent argument against him for me is what Columbus values him at. What would they have to trade to acquire the player? I don't think I go as wild as zeke on the offer, though it's tempting.
 
Preston said:
I do agree that they should prioritize a top tier d. But then one may not be available. Jenner for 3 playoff runs isn't a bad option and wouldn't prevent them from grabbing a d in the next year or two at that aav.

It addresses a need for the next 3 playoffs without deploying much cap space. Not sure I see much downside unless you're trading a bunch of quality assets.
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I think the point is (mine at least), sure, get him if you want, but pay the price you would for a third liner, not a first liner. This three years of playoff term you keep mentioning is too enticing to you that you’re forgetting the talent level it’s attached to.
 
LeafGm said:
Yes, having the guy with two goals and four points in his last 20 playoff games for three playoff runs sure would be sweet.

Would go a long way towards making up for the fact that we no longer have Pierre Engvall and his playoff production.
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Yes to the first part, shame on you for the second part.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I think the point is (mine at least), sure, get him if you want, but pay the price you would for a third liner, not a first liner. This three years of playoff term you keep mentioning is too enticing to you that you’re forgetting the talent level it’s attached to.
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2nd line center is kind of a big piece. If you think he's a 3rd line center... Well that's fine too. Still a big piece and often difficult to address. And he makes less that what a good 3c would typically cost. Not unlike getting top 4 d McCabe for 3 playoffs at 2m.

Of course it depends on what they'd have to give up, but pretending he's some 4th line scrub is quite ignorant.
 
Preston said:
2nd line center is kind of a big piece. If you think he's a 3rd line center... Well that's fine too. Still a big piece and often difficult to address. And he makes less that what a good 3c would typically cost. Not unlike getting top 4 d McCabe for 3 playoffs at 2m.

Of course it depends on what they'd have to give up, but pretending he's some 4th line scrub is quite ignorant.
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I’ve said from the start that he’s a capable third liner, and I’m fine if they got him for that role. But that’s not something I trade away a package that should get a top pair D or first line winger. That package is worth more than what we paid for ROR, so why would we ever pay that for Jenner?

It’s the price proposed that I’m taking exception with. It’d be throwing assets away for a name (all star! mandatory rep of a shit team! you decide!). We can get third liners for way cheaper than that. I mean, why were we all laughing at the Jeanott trade and then loving this one?
 
LeafGm said:
The three year-split is a fun bit of spin here, considering the past two seasons were him scoring far above his career norms while getting a lot of ice-time and opportunity on a godawful team.

This very mediocre season he’s having this year is far more in line with the kind of production you can usually expect from him.
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Spin is what you did with your "40pt seasons" or whatever it was. You were the one using simple point totals so it's weird that you'd deny the age and prosuction and position difference in the two players leading up to the trade deadline.

But if you want to go back to career numbers...

Career Even Strengh

Lindholm (29): 15gl/37pt pace
Jenner (30): 17gl/33pt pace
 
Jenner gets less EV TOI than Tavares, so he's not getting forcefed minutes.

He is getting way more PP time there than he would here, like every other target would, which is why i try to stick to EV production.
 
Last year: 1.49 p/60
This year: 1.25 p/60

Andrew Peeke has more p/60 than him this year. I'm not sure I love where this is trending. On-ice s% a little low this year so definitely unlucky but yeah, feels like a 3rd liner not a 2nd. And trending the wrong way heading into his 30s.

Still not against him but I'm keeping Minten and would pay for retention too.
 
zeke said:
Jenner gets less EV TOI than Tavares, so he's not getting forcefed minutes.

He is getting way more PP time there than he would here, like every other target would, which is why i try to stick to EV production.
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And he has only a handful of PP points to show for it. So maybe that’s the reason to stick to EV?
 
Preston said:
Last year: 1.49 p/60
This year: 1.25 p/60

Andrew Peeke has more p/60 than him this year. I'm not sure I love where this is trending. On-ice s% a little low this year so definitely unlucky but yeah, feels like a 3rd liner not a 2nd. And trending the wrong way heading into his 30s.

Still not against him but I'm keeping Minten and would pay for retention too.
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Someone’s starting to wake up and smell the foligno.
 
Columbus really should trade Jenner now. I bet they can get a lot for him and he may be quietly in a fairly steep decline as many are with that playing style at around that age. Maybe.
 
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