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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

Preston said:
I'd do the zeke deal
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Knies won't though.

For clarity, I'm reacting to what I'm seeing in the Leafs twitterverse/blogosphere with 8 x 5 "not going to get it done" and "future star is worth the risk" type talk being pretty common. 4.5 x 8 would be fine with me. The risk would definitely be shared in a spot of above average sweetness in that case, which is why I doubt it happens.
 
leafman101 said:
I get wanting to sign him long term and try to get lots of value down the road.

But there is lots to like about taking that value over the next 2-3 years and worrying about the future later.

Like 3 x $1.8, come on?
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's the market for guys who have done what Knies has done so far. If you can get him at that type of number for 3 years, I'm fine with his number being 6-7 million later if he turns into what some people think he's going to be.
 
MindzEye said:
If it happens, it happens. All I'm saying is that throwing large money at the guy who finished 12th in goals among players 21 and younger last year is risky.

Just to take a look at a few examples...

- Perfetti just signed a 2 year extension for 3.25 per after a better season than Knies is coming off of, and was a top 10 overall pick in his draft class.
- Byfield signed 5/6.25 after a 20/55 season
- Sillinger was slightly out produced by Knies (12/32) and signed 2/2.25
- Kent Johnson has a pretty Knies-ish production resume and signed 3/1.8

So yeah, the market for what Knies is right now imo is somewhere in that Perfetti/Sillinger/Johnson tier on a 2-3 year deal. If we're going 4-5+ years on it, there's only so much financial risk we should be taking. I'd rather him prove it and then pay him 5+ than give him the money before he puts up 25/50+
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i dont disagree
 
trujaysfan said:
Probably 5 or 5.5 mil.
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Nah, I'd rather drag his dick over broken glass through RFA and then pay him his market value on the backside.

But in fairness, I'm in the camp that doesn't see a star there. I see a good NHL'er, probably a top 6 power forward who scores ~25 most years, but not a star. I get why someone who sees him as such only sees the upside in 8x5.5 or similar.
 
MindzEye said:
Nah, I'd rather drag his dick over broken glass through RFA and then pay him his market value on the backside.

But in fairness, I'm in the camp that doesn't see a star there. I see a good NHL'er, probably a top 6 power forward who scores ~25 most years, but not a star. I get why someone who sees him as such only sees the upside in 8x5.5 or similar.
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A 25 goal power forward is $8+ in 5 years.

Debrusk just got $5.5 x 6 and has put up 25 goals once.
 
If we traded Lilly, Kampf, Jarnkrok, Reaves we'd have a clear $6m capspace to spend entirely on one player.
 
I've seen some evidence....

...Kampf has been strictly in 4th/5th line setups so far. His contract is rich for a guy who doesn't seem to be a candidate to be used in a bigger minute matchup role like Keefe used him in.

....The most recent lineups with McMann and Robby solidly in the top-9 might indicate that Krok will be in a 4th line setup as well. But we'll get some conformation of that tommorrow.
 
TOR last 5yrs


5v5

#2 2.92 gf/60
#4 2.82 xgf/60
#2 9.15 sh%

#14 2.44 ga/60
#9 2.41 xga/60
#18 91.39 sv%

#5 54.4 gf%
#2 53.9 xgf%


5v4

#3 8.79 gf/60
#2 8.89 xgf/60
#5 14.62 sh%

4v5

#12 6.75 ga/60
#4 6.56 xga/60
#17 86.66 sv%


All

#2 3.51 gf/60
#4 3.44 xgf/60
#4 10.68 sh%

#14 2.92 ga/60
#6 2.86 xga/60
#18 90.06 sv%

#5 54.6 gf%
#2 54.6 xgf%
 
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