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OT: American Politics


Its funny because the areas with the highest fluoride content (above the recommended level based on science - significantly in some cases) are all red states. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and one Chuch owned utility in LA. weird.
Fluoride is a naturally occurring element in groundwater and can routinely exceed limits set by municipalities, or health agencies. Geology doesn't care about red or blue states.
 
Actually middle class wages have risen faster than inflation.

But yes, inflation sucks, and the fact that it is under control now doesn't change the fact that there was a huge and sudden price shock a couple years ago that effected everyone. That's definitely an issue for many still, but in the end that's just one economic data point amongst many, and the thing about the economy is that you can't really convince people that they're economically desperate when they aren't. No matter how much you tell them the economy is bad, if they're still easily able to afford stuff (and spending on leisure and entertainment proves that they can), they'll never feel that economic punch on the gut level it needs to be to be the prime issue.

Also, for what economic pain there really is, you gotta be sure that most people blame Biden/Harris for that, and I don't think they do.





You're refusing to understand the reality tho. Abortion bans mean that women of childbearing age simply do not have the same freedoms as everyone else. These aren't anecdotes - these are actual laws which prevent them from getting all sorts of normal, important health treatments that are available to everyone else, but not to them, even if they just MIGHT be pregnant. This is them being second class citizens, with fewer freedoms than you have. THAT is why it's such a big deal to women. Not because they really want to be able to murder as many babies as they can.



But this is entirely backwards. GDP estimates have been laughably low for the vast majority of the Biden presidency, just up unil late last summer. Economic projections continually said a recession was incoming, and the economy kept easily beating all those projections.

Q2 GDP smashed the estimates - coming in at 3% when estimates were around 2%. This resulted in a Q3 estimate of around 3%, which yes the first Q3 measuremnts have come in slightly lower at 2.8%.

As for spending your way out of economic slowing - yes you absolutely can. And this has been proven without a doubt over past 15 years - nations that spent their way out of the 2009 and Covid crashes are crushing it economically, while nations that tried to respond instead with austerity measures all killed their economies and are still trying to recover.


But again - the idea that economic forecasts have been generous to Biden and bullshit PR for his admin is the exact opposite of the truth - his economy has smashed all the projections, for years now. The economic forecasts are actually more responsible for his negative economic approval than the actual economy is.
Give me the countries as your example of the success for the covid spending policies. I'm curious, because I know you're not counting Germany as one.

We'll simply have to disagree on a lot of the above. The ridiculous inflation numbers damage is permanent. We won't ever get deflation. Honestly I’m not sure how house/shelter costs are ever going to go back down. Grocery prices are still through the roof. People can’t afford homes. People can’t afford childcare. Nothing is affordable anymore.
 
Because the US doesn't do the same crap in every country around the world, right?

It's no secret the intel communities detest Trump because he doesn't let them have unbridled power and world influence like they'd like.

Pelosi conveniently denied the request for national guard that day (and had cameras following her around?).

The most vocal proponent of storming the capitol caught on camera many many times at different moments advocating and pushing people to do it got ZERO jail time.
Not that he can't keep a secret. Or is his little plan with Mike
 
the economy is never great for everyone! there are always people who are struggling to make ends meet. the issue is whether the economy is bad enough for enough people to make it the most significant election issue....and whether the blame for that economic hardship is placed on one party more than the other.

and housing prices being too damn high isn't something that just happened in the last 4yrs.

food inflation is a literal gut punch tho

I went grocery shopping in smalltown USA a few times recently and was surprised to see the price of food items in US$ was the same as what I pay in $CAN in Toronto.

I've never seen that before.
 
Give me the countries as your example of the success for the covid spending policies. I'm curious, because I know you're not counting Germany as one.

We'll simply have to disagree on a lot of the above. The ridiculous inflation numbers damage is permanent. We won't ever get deflation. Honestly I’m not sure how house/shelter costs are ever going to go back down. Grocery prices are still through the roof. People can’t afford homes. People can’t afford childcare. Nothing is affordable anymore.
do you accept that if wages grow faster than inflation, people's spending power is not reduced but actually increases?
 
eh both can be true.

objectively, the American economy is outperforming all its peers and leading the world in growth.

at the same time, it's not working for everyone. rents and housing prices are too damn high.
That’s also the biggest expense for everyone and determines what money you have leftover so kind of a huge deal
 
food inflation is a literal gut punch tho

I went grocery shopping in smalltown USA a few times recently and was surprised to see the price of food items in US$ was the same as what I pay in $CAN in Toronto.

I've never seen that before.

yep no doubt.

and a politically interesting thing about it is that obviously politicians should care much more about inflation than, say, employment. An increase in employment only directly effects a few percent of the population, while inflation directly effects 100% of the population.
 
That’s also the biggest expense for everyone and determines what money you have leftover so kind of a huge deal
we don't disagree here. cost of living matters, and it has gone up, largely on the back of record setting inflation following a global pandemic that messed up supply chains.

but inflation doesn't exist in a vacuum. wages have also gone up, and have gone up more than inflation over the past while.

I'm not saying that means everyone is better off. but more people should be better off now than they were before. there remain serious and systemic issues, no doubt. but the fundamentals are strong - just ask economists.
 
the economy is never great for everyone! there are always people who are struggling to make ends meet. the issue is whether the economy is bad enough for enough people to make it the most significant election issue....and whether the blame for that economic hardship is placed on one party more than the other.

and housing prices being too damn high isn't something that just happened in the last 4yrs.
It is something of the last 4 years, at least in the US.

When I bought my first home in 2018 it was a 1000sqft brick ranch built in the late 50’s. I got it for 245K. That same home I sold for 345 almost 1.5 years ago and it’s now able to be sold at 400+ according to Redfin/zillow estimates. It’s stupid. When I was looking in 2018 the homes wern’t outrageous like they are now.
 
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