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OT: American Politics

Preston said:
I also think she just isn't likeable enough to Americans. Which alone makes her a mediocre politician. It's a popularity contest and she's up against a reality TV sensation. David vs Goliath.
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when she did take the risk of talking about herself in a personal way, I think she did pretty well
 
MindzEye said:

View: https://x.com/nowthisimpact/status/1851010417549828158
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How does this support the claim that media helped Trump more than Kamala?

People could've known her policies, or blindly chosen her policies, but had no interest in voting for her for many other reasons.

I'd say no less than 95% of the media I came across during the campaign was fully pro-Kamala and overtly anti-Trump.

And it's that media that had almost everyone calling for her to win by a landslide and had declared Trump as dead as disco.
 
MindzEye said:
I think the podcast thing is over rated personally. But I agree that her inability to properly articulate any difference between herself and Biden until she had bottled the question a few times and quickly focus grouped a meh answer to the question definitely hurt.

"I love and appreciate the leadership Joe Biden has shown these last 4 years but I see a few things differently"...and lay out a few answers to pain points on inflation, housing affordability, and immigration. Joe is a big boy, he'll understand the need for Kamala to take credit for the things that help and walk back the things that hurt.
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dude, it was such an easy answer "we inherited a broken economy from Trump. Our first priority was to avoid a recession (which everyone felt was inevitable) and after that we introduced a very strong strong border bill....etc "

I say it's easy, because we've all had to answer versions of that question in our lives. ie job interview "what is your biggest weakness"
 
zeke said:
so Kamala needed to talk policy, and trump didn't!

awesome.
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Well yeah. Didn't we already know that his schtick isn't to lay out some sophisticated blueprint for improving the country, and instead would be a rambling mess of promises to make things great and such?

You combat that with explicit, clear policy statements that you offer to anyone who is willing to listen. You don't try to fool the public by answering questions with the same bullshit story of how you grew up with a single mother. It always came off as unprepared, ignorant, lazy, and offensive.
 
CH1 said:
when she did take the risk of talking about herself in a personal way, I think she did pretty well
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We thought that. But I don't think it was received well by the people who matter. I agree she should have done the podcasts but if I had to bet, I'd say that lofs feed would have been loaded with clips making fun of her. And it wouldn't have helped.

Clearly should have done it now in hindsight but I'm not sure she has the personality that a presidential candidate should have (i.e. W, Barry O, prime Biden, Donny). Also the woman thing. Rogan's raw milk drinking audience would not budge.
 
Preston said:
One of Trump's policies was literally to put the US into a crippling recession (deflation). This is what we're working with here and this is why it's hard for me to know what would have worked. We're dealing with a country loaded with stupid people here. And it's tough to think like them.
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Democrats are afraid to blame rich people for things that are rich people's fault, for long enough that it seems that they actually fucking care.

- Price of housing? Investors bought 26% of available single family homes last year, this distorts the market price. Not only are we going to help with a 25K grant to help homebuyers afford these larger downpayments, we're going to introduce legislation to raise capital gains taxes on residential property investors, etc, etc

Democrats just fail at being populists because you either have to mean it, or be really really good at going balls deep into lying about it. Trump commits to the role. With Democrats we get half way progressive/populist policy that tries to walk a line between managing lower to middle class angst while at the same time not pissing off their donors. You can't keep both sets of people happy and mean what you're saying to both.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Well yeah. Didn't we already know that his schtick isn't to lay out some sophisticated blueprint for improving the country, and instead would be a rambling mess of promises to make things great and such?

You combat that with explicit, clear policy statements that you offer to anyone who is willing to listen. You don't try to fool the public by answering questions with the same bullshit story of how you grew up with a single mother. It always came off as unprepared, ignorant, lazy, and offensive.
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just a chef's kiss amazing double standard here.

but thank you for proving the media bias for trump.
 
MindzEye said:
Democrats are afraid to blame rich people for things that are rich people's fault, for long enough that it seems that they actually fucking care.

- Price of housing? Investors bought 26% of available single family homes last year, this distorts the market price. Not only are we going to help with a 25K grant to help homebuyers afford these larger downpayments, we're going to introduce legislation to raise capital gains taxes on residential property investors, etc, etc

Democrats just fail at being populists because you either have to mean it, or be really really good at going balls deep into lying about it. Trump commits to the role. With Democrats we get half way progressive/populist policy that tries to walk a line between managing lower to middle class angst while at the same time not pissing off their donors. You can't keep both sets of people happy and mean what you're saying to both.
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100%. Making food prices cheaper and slashing energy prices in half sounds awesome. Anyone with half a brain knows it's a lie but when he says those things he's not targeting people with a brain. Gotta appeal to the lowest common denominator. That's one reason why he cleans up with the non-college demo.
 
Preston said:
We thought that. But I don't think it was received well by the people who matter. I agree she should have done the podcasts but if I had to bet, I'd say that lofs feed would have been loaded with clips making fun of her. And it wouldn't have helped.

Clearly should have done it now in hindsight but I'm not sure she has the personality that a presidential candidate should have (i.e. W, Barry O, prime Biden, Donny). Also the woman thing. Rogan's raw milk drinking audience would not budge.
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of course...that's the risk. Trump is made fun of 100000 x a day.

But, the reward is that feeds are also filled with clips of Kamala taking Alpha Joe on "C'mon, you know that's clearly untrue. What we did was......."
 
MindzEye said:
Democrats are afraid to blame rich people for things that are rich people's fault, for long enough that it seems that they actually fucking care.

- Price of housing? Investors bought 26% of available single family homes last year, this distorts the market price. Not only are we going to help with a 25K grant to help homebuyers afford these larger downpayments, we're going to introduce legislation to raise capital gains taxes on residential property investors, etc, etc

Democrats just fail at being populists because you either have to mean it, or be really really good at going balls deep into lying about it. Trump commits to the role. With Democrats we get half way progressive/populist policy that tries to walk a line between managing lower to middle class angst while at the same time not pissing off their donors. You can't keep both sets of people happy and mean what you're saying to both.
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That's what I said. Too many Dems afraid of pissing off donors.
 
zeke said:
nobody believed him when he said more energy was lower prices! it was just a thiing he said to avoid the question!

and then no reporter every followed up on it! they just let him say it and done!
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people believed him when he said he's bringing food prices down....they're not doing the math on how much energy the US is currently producing
 
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