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OT: American Politics

LeafOfFaith said:
Hey gang, I'm gone. I will never post here again. No further appetite for the attacks, the constant wrong (and probably deliberately wrong in many cases) takes on things I said and supposedly believe, and generally all of the bullshit that comes with interacting with the various miserable lunatics here. You like the echo, then fully fucking revel in it without me.

Now that I've made that commitment publicly, I have to stick to it, so that's it. It's over, thank heavens.
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I think it’s for the best. Standing up for Tavares is a hard enough gig. You don’t need distractions.

Edit; I thought you were only talking about boycotting the American Politics thread. Don’t give up on the entire site
 
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Yeah SoCal routinely experiences drought conditions which obviously leads to wild fires. But I wouldn’t be surprised if some nut is contributing to the disaster, social cohesion being what it is.

Anyway, plunk a metro region of 20M in a quasi desert and this is kinda unsurprising…
 
AH$$$ said:
There is arson going on
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so, generally if I say there is truth to something, I would have some evidence to back it up. I've seen no evidence of arson. you have presented none.

in any event, whether or not any of the fires were caused by human activity and/or deliberately set misses the point.

the scope, scale, and intensity of the fires are caused and contributed to by climate change. there are massive fires in January - not usually peak fire season in LA - because LA has been in a prolonged drought. it's a tinder box because it has not had close to enough rainfall. well below averages, as I showed earlier. and even those averages reflect the changing climate - they're based on data up to 2021.

as we have seen all around the damn world, when you have conditions like that, you get fires burning out of control. it has happened in BC. it has happened in NS.

funny enough, one of the biggest NS fires was caused by human activity. doesn't mean the result - the largest forest fire in the province's history, was deliberate. that's not how wildfires work. they spread out of control because of environmental conditions.

I highly doubt that arson will be proven to have started any of the currently burning wildfires, but even if it was, the severity of the fires is a product of climate change, not arsonists. like how the fuck would an arsonist succeed in deliberately burning down entire fucking neighbourhoods? have you thought about how this theory of yours would actually work in practice?
 
There is arson. Don’t discount the lived experiences of people living there and who grew up there.

Climate change has surely contributed a great part in the scale of this. But this is not normal.
 
AH$$$ said:
There is arson. Don’t discount the lived experiences of people living there and who grew up there.

Climate change has surely contributed a great part in the scale of this. But this is not normal.
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you're gonna have to do more than say, 'my friends who live there believe there is arson' to convince me...

why do they think there is arson? is it just because it is an abnormally large and severe fire for this time of the year? I doubt they saw some dude lighting a forest on fire?

and yes, things that we did not consider normal are going to happen all the time with increasing frequency - this is a product of our changing climate. scientists have warned us about this for years now.
 
All these things can be true.

Not saying they are, but I wouldn’t totally discount arson or negligence. This is also fire season in Australia, and I recall that past incidents were caused by arson. I mean, maybe the drought and climate change effect, which increases the likelihood and severity of natural wild fires, also encourages a nutter to set a blaze in secluded fields or forests?
 
lecoqsportif said:
All these things can be true.

Not saying they are, but I wouldn’t totally discount arson or negligence. This is also fire season in Australia, and I recall that past incidents were caused by arson. I mean, maybe the drought and climate change effect, which increases the likelihood and severity of natural wild fires, also encourages a nutter to set a blaze in secluded fields or forests?
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I would wager that to the extent any of the fires were caused by human activity, they were accidental, not deliberate.

but again, I think this misses the point.

the severity is a result of climate change. when the environment creates conditions favourable to wildfires, you're gonna get out of control wildfires. scientists keeps warning us, and we keep ignoring them. maybe we'll start listening soon?

I'd bet good money that to the extent there is any arson, it is not a major cause or contributor to the current fires.

and we know MAGA bots are only amplifying that talking point to distract folks from what I think ought to the be main takeaway here
 
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