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OT: American Politics

LeafGm said:
Again though, I don’t think the way you’ve framed this is accurate.

“Was finally forced to take his call” implies that Trump has been trying to speak to Carney and Carney has actively been refusing to take his calls up until now.

Nothing that has been said from either the Canadian or American sides backs that up. Every indication is that when Trump’s team reached out this week to schedule a call, that was the first time since Trudeau was still our PM that either side has made any attempt to engage in direct PM-to-President level talks.

Also worth keeping in mind that the ball has been in Trump’s court all along here. The very longstanding standard convention in international diplomacy is that when a new head of government takes power, the onus is on other countries to reach out to them. Carney being the one to reach out instead, especially in light of the threats to our sovereignty, would have been a weak-ass, submissive move.
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All well and good now that they spoke. Only issue I have with your response is the “standard convention in international diplomacy” doesn’t exist anymore.

When did Dotard think of conventional anything ?
 
AH$$$ said:
All well and good now that they spoke. Only issue I have with your response is the “standard convention in international diplomacy” doesn’t exist anymore.

When did Dotard think of conventional anything ?
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I disagree with the notion that everyone worldwide should follow Trump’s shitty example and toss diplomatic conventions out the window.

I’m also curious to get down to the specifics of what you’re saying here, from Canada’s perspective. Would it have been your preference for Carney to take the initiative and reach out to Trump?
 
LeafGm said:
I disagree with the notion that everyone worldwide should follow Trump’s shitty example and toss diplomatic conventions out the window.

I’m also curious to get down to the specifics of what you’re saying here, from Canada’s perspective. Would it have been your preference for Carney to take the initiative and reach out to Trump?
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Good question. And I now realize that typing on the Internet l, stuff gets lost in translation.

I was just recounting the sequence of events as I understood them. Under no circumstance should Carney have reached out to Trump’s team. In fact, he should’ve insisted on delaying until after April 28 at the latest outreach.

What I’m saying is that Trump forced his way into an earlier conversation by posting on social media in the middle of the night and implementing new tariffs earlier than April 2 he just couldn’t take the rejection after finding out that France and England and Canada might be striking a deal.

But Carney had to take the call today. That’s his diplomacy not Trumps’s.
 
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