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OT: American Politics

lecoqsportif said:
Hey, as long as the angry rubes think it will.
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I mean, it's not crazy for the Americans to re shore all of their domestic automotive industry eventually, there's about a 4-5 million unit per year overhang between total sales and domestic production, which is a not insignificant ~200B a year in manufacturing. You might generate another ~1.5 million jobs in that case if your entire industry is domestic production.

But after that...wtf are you trying to bring back? Textiles? lol, welcome to $50 USD per t shirt. Electronics? 100's of billions in investment and 10-20yrs away from producing iPhones that retail for $10,000. Semi conductors? The most complex supply chain of any product on the planet, it's not feasible doing everything domestically and would require an economy busting level of government subsidized investment just for your failure level to upgrade from hilarious to spectacular.

So yeah, you can keep an extra 200B a year in automotive production at the cost of your domestic industry not being able to export to anyone else, ever. Well played, dipshit.
 
MindzEye said:
One thing is definitely certain. Those decades of America tough guy propaganda we were fed by Hollywood and 5th Ave were based on nothing. There turned out to be nothing exceptional about them, they're rolling over and showing their belly at a speed people in other countries find to be amazing.
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Madison Avenue, not 5th Avenue, but point taken.
 
hockeylover said:

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There's an, imo, pretty obvious game going on here but it's developers have made a huge, huge mistake.

The Russian have very clearly made deep connection with the US right wing. There is a lot of cultural alignment between the way they see the world and the way the authoritarian right in the US sees the world, so capturing them was easy enough. American hyper-capitalism and Russian kleptocratic oligarchy are natural bedmates, evangelical christianity and russian orthodox catholicism sharing enough socially regressive bullshit and semi veiled racism to get along well enough to craft a shared world view. Both share a disdain for what they deem as a weak, decadent European culture.

The Russian designers of this plan assumed though that they would be able to poison Europe enough to keep them weak and fragmented but the opposite has happened. Carve the UK off of the continent by backing and amplifying brexit, install enough small 'd' dictators in the machinery of the EU itself to make decision making cumbersome, slowly pull what they historically deem to be theirs back into their orbit. Probably would have worked really well had Ukraine not turned a 3 day special operation into a 3 year war of attrition that gave Europe a significant enough shock to wake them the fuck up and organize. I fully expect the US to meddle in that as much as they think they can to the benefit of Moscow, but the damage is done already imo. The Russian economy is cooked, the pin has been pulled and we just don't know exactly how long the fuse is on the grenade, but it's been pulled. Europe has realized that they're actually wealthy AF if they work together the way their system was designed to, & can afford to re arm the continent quite quickly to the point where they'll probably be a near peer adversary to the US within 10-15 years.....and when that happens, there's going to be an event where American planners come to understand just how deep of a geopolitical fuck up this is, when the Americans want to do something in what Europe deems to be their backyard and the Europeans make them backdown because power projection is actually really fucking hard without allies helping you and the world is a big place. It might be the suez, or Israel, Iran, who knows. But it will happen and it will be a moment where the Americans realize that their sphere shrunk without ever realizing it.
 
MindzEye said:
There's an, imo, pretty obvious game going on here but it's developers have made a huge, huge mistake.

The Russian have very clearly made deep connection with the US right wing. There is a lot of cultural alignment between the way they see the world and the way the authoritarian right in the US sees the world, so capturing them was easy enough. American hyper-capitalism and Russian kleptocratic oligarchy are natural bedmates, evangelical christianity and russian orthodox catholicism sharing enough socially regressive bullshit and semi veiled racism to get along well enough to craft a shared world view. Both share a disdain for what they deem as a weak, decadent European culture.

The Russian designers of this plan assumed though that they would be able to poison Europe enough to keep them weak and fragmented but the opposite has happened. Carve the UK off of the continent by backing and amplifying brexit, install enough small 'd' dictators in the machinery of the EU itself to make decision making cumbersome, slowly pull what they historically deem to be theirs back into their orbit. Probably would have worked really well had Ukraine not turned a 3 day special operation into a 3 year war of attrition that gave Europe a significant enough shock to wake them the fuck up and organize. I fully expect the US to meddle in that as much as they think they can to the benefit of Moscow, but the damage is done already imo. The Russian economy is cooked, the pin has been pulled and we just don't know exactly how long the fuse is on the grenade, but it's been pulled. Europe has realized that they're actually wealthy AF if they work together the way their system was designed to, & can afford to re arm the continent quite quickly to the point where they'll probably be a near peer adversary to the US within 10-15 years.....and when that happens, there's going to be an event where American planners come to understand just how deep of a geopolitical fuck up this is, when the Americans want to do something in what Europe deems to be their backyard and the Europeans make them backdown because power projection is actually really fucking hard without allies helping you and the world is a big place. It might be the suez, or Israel, Iran, who knows. But it will happen and it will be a moment where the Americans realize that their sphere shrunk without ever realizing it.
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Sorry your posts are getting too long to read.
 
MindzEye said:
I mean, it's not crazy for the Americans to re shore all of their domestic automotive industry eventually, there's about a 4-5 million unit per year overhang between total sales and domestic production, which is a not insignificant ~200B a year in manufacturing. You might generate another ~1.5 million jobs in that case if your entire industry is domestic production.

But after that...wtf are you trying to bring back? Textiles? lol, welcome to $50 USD per t shirt. Electronics? 100's of billions in investment and 10-20yrs away from producing iPhones that retail for $10,000. Semi conductors? The most complex supply chain of any product on the planet, it's not feasible doing everything domestically and would require an economy busting level of government subsidized investment just for your failure level to upgrade from hilarious to spectacular.

So yeah, you can keep an extra 200B a year in automotive production at the cost of your domestic industry not being able to export to anyone else, ever. Well played, dipshit.
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Some of that comes down to whether people want Audis bmws and Mercedes or fords and Chryslers. Japanese automakers - we’ll see.

They also have a big resource issue to get around.
 
mbow30 said:
Some of that comes down to whether people want Audis bmws and Mercedes or fords and Chryslers. Japanese automakers - we’ll see.

They also have a big resource issue to get around.
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People do want imports, but will they pay 1.5-2x the international sticker price for them?
 
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