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OT: American Politics

I had a conversation with my mom yesterday, she was quite disgusted that they are teaching kids about transgenders and sexuality at such a young age in schools.

The point I tried to make was that sure, it may be hard for you to wrap your head around these things being normalized in society now, because you were brought up in a time where they were not. And really here (maybe not in certain places in the US), you can be as angry and upset about kids learning about that as you want, but the odds of that changing are probably slim to none. I tried to point out that in terms of our kids growing up, having friends or seeing people that are gay will not be a big deal for them because they have been taught about it and in most cases exposed to it through their whole lives. The example I used was imagine one of my kids went out for dinner with a group of friends when they were adults. One of the friends happens to bring their partner of the same sex. Would you want your grandchild to be the one in the group that is suddenly uncomfortable about somebody else's choices, or just be happy to be out and socializing with friends?

Like what are these people actually afraid of if their kids learn about genders and sexuality? Do they think it will increase the likelihood that their own children will be gay or transgendered? Honestly. If they are that uncomfortable in dealing with and accepting the choices that other people make, why perpetuate that onto your kids? The lack of foresight in getting upset about this is absurd (but I suppose par for the course for the far right).
 
Think they’re blurring the lines here and portraying this as “teaching young kids about gay sex” as a way to get your average person outraged because they don’t want to say they have an issue with kids being taught that some families look different than your traditional heterosexual family and that that’s perfectly okay.
 
Yeah people just don't like transgenders.

As for grooming - which institution and strategy has produced more pedophilia?

The public education system giving kids all the information about sex as possible?

Or the religious institutions hiding kids from sexual knowledge as much as possible?

(Hint: it's not close)
 
Don't know about anybody else, but I don't want anybody's kids groomed for whatever (if that's even possible in the context the freak-out crowd is using it).... although teaching them a bit more compassion for those that are treated as "others" certainly wouldn't hurt.... we're just trying to keep our own kids alive and not afraid of their very existence being threatened.
 
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I think they are being told that kindergarten kids are having anal sex explained to them.
As far as I know sex ed starts roughly the same time, and it's not kindergarten.

Another thing, parents are afraid of what their kids might be taught, when all they have to do is be involved and they will know what is being taught, beside which, parents should be the ones beating schools to the punch, don't be afraid to explain things, kids are smarter than we give them credit for.
 
fergy57 said:
I had a conversation with my mom yesterday, she was quite disgusted that they are teaching kids about transgenders and sexuality at such a young age in schools.

The point I tried to make was that sure, it may be hard for you to wrap your head around these things being normalized in society now, because you were brought up in a time where they were not. And really here (maybe not in certain places in the US), you can be as angry and upset about kids learning about that as you want, but the odds of that changing are probably slim to none. I tried to point out that in terms of our kids growing up, having friends or seeing people that are gay will not be a big deal for them because they have been taught about it and in most cases exposed to it through their whole lives. The example I used was imagine one of my kids went out for dinner with a group of friends when they were adults. One of the friends happens to bring their partner of the same sex. Would you want your grandchild to be the one in the group that is suddenly uncomfortable about somebody else's choices, or just be happy to be out and socializing with friends?

Like what are these people actually afraid of if their kids learn about genders and sexuality? Do they think it will increase the likelihood that their own children will be gay or transgendered? Honestly. If they are that uncomfortable in dealing with and accepting the choices that other people make, why perpetuate that onto your kids? The lack of foresight in getting upset about this is absurd (but I suppose par for the course for the far right).
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I suspect that the objection is likely to something that is not actually taking place (now, or ever). And zeke and HL did a good job canvassing some of the other issues around this.

Ultimately, I agree with zeke - folks just don't like trans people. I know personally I've had many many discussions (often heated) with my father about the topic because he just refuses to acknowledge the realities and experiences of trans folks. Every so often Mrs. Wayward will think she's made progress with him and then we'll revisit the topic a couple months later and he has fully reverted to form.
 
Yeah, my MAGA aunt and uncle make jokes about trans people on their Facebook a lot, or at least they did before I got blocked.

All I know is the thought of this country, already seemingly chalk full of dumb people, making villains out of teachers is frightening. Scientists, bad! Teachers, bad! Good stuff.

Also, did anyone else grow up in the church and have their parents do a hilariously piss poor job of teaching their own kids about sex or was that just me?
 
zeke said:
Yeah people just don't like transgenders.

As for grooming - which institution and strategy has produced more pedophilia?

The public education system giving kids all the information about sex as possible?

Or the religious institutions hiding kids from sexual knowledge as much as possible?

(Hint: it's not close)
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"Grooming" is just the new "Critical Race Theory". A term that has a real world meaning, that the right has co opted to be a catch all term for shit that makes white people of middle age or older, angry, nervous, etc.

Oh, you want to have a historically accurate conversation about slavery, or an economically accurate conversation about the impact of over policing of the black community? You're clearly a supporter of "Critical Race Theory".

Want children to learn about sex before marriage and you want that education to include knowledge on something other than pure heterosexuality? You're "grooming" children.

It shouldn't surprise any of us, it's the same people who demand Freedom of Speech protection for physically invading Congress. We're really into some 1984 shit with these fascists.

Nobody does identity politics like white christians, nobody.
 
fergy57 said:
I had a conversation with my mom yesterday, she was quite disgusted that they are teaching kids about transgenders and sexuality at such a young age in schools.

The point I tried to make was that sure, it may be hard for you to wrap your head around these things being normalized in society now, because you were brought up in a time where they were not. And really here (maybe not in certain places in the US), you can be as angry and upset about kids learning about that as you want, but the odds of that changing are probably slim to none. I tried to point out that in terms of our kids growing up, having friends or seeing people that are gay will not be a big deal for them because they have been taught about it and in most cases exposed to it through their whole lives. The example I used was imagine one of my kids went out for dinner with a group of friends when they were adults. One of the friends happens to bring their partner of the same sex. Would you want your grandchild to be the one in the group that is suddenly uncomfortable about somebody else's choices, or just be happy to be out and socializing with friends?

Like what are these people actually afraid of if their kids learn about genders and sexuality? Do they think it will increase the likelihood that their own children will be gay or transgendered? Honestly. If they are that uncomfortable in dealing with and accepting the choices that other people make, why perpetuate that onto your kids? The lack of foresight in getting upset about this is absurd (but I suppose par for the course for the far right).
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that it becomes acceptable, and worse, what if it's contagious????

bottom line -- they aren't really thinking about, just an emotional, intolerant, fear based response
 
MindzEye said:
"Grooming" is just the new "Critical Race Theory". A term that has a real world meaning, that the right has co opted to be a catch all term for shit that makes white people of middle age or older, angry, nervous, etc.

Oh, you want to have a historically accurate conversation about slavery, or an economically accurate conversation about the impact of over policing of the black community? You're clearly a supporter of "Critical Race Theory".

Want children to learn about sex before marriage and you want that education to include knowledge on something other than pure heterosexuality? You're "grooming" children.

It shouldn't surprise any of us, it's the same people who demand Freedom of Speech protection for physically invading Congress. We're really into some 1984 shit with these fascists.

Nobody does identity politics like white christians, nobody.
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I don't understand this attempt at demonizing and censoring the schools re: slavery racism etc.

have these people never heard of the internet?

do they really think that kids today are going to form their worldview solely from the classroom?
 
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