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OT: American Politics

cmon3 said:
Is it working? It’s not. Kids are not learning the basics. Kids are ready for college apparently and don’t understand basic loans.
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How is this a reason to question the value compulsory universal K-12 education? Make a slight alteration to the curriculum and it's not a problem. Most states already have added personal finance courses and made them mandatory fwiw.

But quite frankly, that's not the problem. There's no real choice involved. Kids who are capable of going have few options. Take the loan at whatever the fuck the cost is to their future and deal with the consequences later or don't take the loan and more or less condemn yourself to a life where you struggle financially. You can't set up a system of only bad choices and then rag on people who made one of the bad choices for making bad choices. When the only good choice is "come out of a rich vagina", the system sucks.
 
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lecoqsportif said:
Financing public schools needs to reformed. The imbalance at local levels is ridiculous.

Aside: financial literacy is part of the math curriculum in our parts.
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The imbalance level and the level of apathy of the parents and students. There needs to be a mechanism where the kids that want to learn advance and the kids that don’t aren’t allowed to hold them back. Maybe certain career paths /educational paths should be paid for - the ones we need but maybe don’t pay that great
 
Wayward DP said:
I wonder if one of the federal political parties has contributed to this, and has worked to undermine public education for many years…
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No. Some to do with the breakdown of traditional families and morals. Some to do with a lack of respect for authority. Some to do with the lack of sportsmanship and the celebrity culture we have.
 
cmon3 said:
There needs to be a mechanism where the kids that want to learn advance and the kids that don’t aren’t allowed to hold them back.
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You mean like a program where advanced students are identified, tested and screened for access to specific advanced classes and curriculums?

Yeah, someone should come up with that. No idea what they should call it though.
 
Not bail them out of it. I dunno. They took out the loans. If the issue is a college education is not worth the price have the schools pay then back.
 
MindzEye said:
You mean like a program where advanced students are identified, tested and screened for access to specific advanced classes and curriculums?

Yeah, someone should come up with that. No idea what they should call it though.
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Not just advanced. Interested. Committed. As opposed to the ones that aren’t interested in listening doing the work etc.
 
cmon3 said:
Not bail them out of it. I dunno. They took out the loans. If the issue is a college education is not worth the price have the schools pay then back.
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Literally nothing you've suggested this entire conversation is actionable. Retiring debt is. A permanent structural solution would be great, but is probably beyond the capability of US political culture. But breaking the back of entire generation with a choice between indebtedness with a hope of future financial solvency vs a choice of perpetual financial struggle is only going to end badly. Economic pragmatism has to win over dinner table financial morality.
 
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