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OT: American Politics

MindzEye said:
Just be "Rogan". On monday bring Mike Tyson in and ask him about his experience with DMT and sensory depravation. On Tuesday it's Piketty talking about wealth inequality. Wednesday Mike Myers is going to tell stories about the time he did something with his nipple on the set of Austin Powers. Thursday Alex Honnold. Friday Bernie Sanders.
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Part of the success of the right wing podcasts is that they pretend to be apolitical. Maybe start by trying that
 
axlsalinger said:
This sounds like a WeHaveian theory that anyone who ever voted for or even for one second considered themselves to be a conservative is a Nazi who should be hanged.

What exactly is the crime committed here? Talking to someone for half an hour on a podcast.
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You can't be "a little bit" fascist anymore than you can be "a little bit" pregnant.

You can't pretend to have a good faith conversation with someone like Kirk or Bannon. It's a complete waste of time and all it does is help amplify and normalize them and their malignant ideas. You don't talk to these people, you punch them in the face.
 
Adam Kinzinger's comments:

"Let’s be clear about who Steve Bannon is. He is not a “provocative conservative” or just a “different viewpoint.” He is an unapologetic, convicted criminal who defied a congressional subpoena during the January 6th investigation. He has spent his career poisoning American democracy with conspiracy theories and encouraging lawlessness. He was at the center of Trump’s “Stop the Steal” lies and called for the destruction of the very institutions that uphold our republic.

Newsom may think this is some clever political stunt—an attempt to show that he’s open-minded, that he’s willing to talk to the other side. But what he’s really doing is legitimizing a man who has spent years working to undermine democracy itself. And for what? A few headlines? A desperate bid to stay relevant but instead torching his Presidential ambitions?

Bipartisanship is essential. I have worked across the aisle and have taken political heat for doing so. But bipartisanship does not mean legitimizing anti-democratic extremists. It does not mean giving oxygen to those who would see our democracy burn.

There’s a reason many of us put everything on the line to fight against what Steve Bannon represents. We understood that democracy isn’t a game—it’s not something you play politics with when it suits your ambitions. Newsom seems to have missed that memo."

adamkinzinger.substack.com

Newsom's Game: Democracy Is The Pawn

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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axlsalinger said:
and here comes worm to virtue signal once again. Okay you guys are right, it's a crime against humanity to (checks notes) talk to Charlie Kirk. Anyone who does so should be thrown out of the Democratic Party and never heard from again.
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Glad we could clear that up for you.

Watch this space for more helpful advice on how to properly oppose fascism.
 
axlsalinger said:
I guess what I'm saying is, gives away what game? He's trying to launch a podcast, perhaps by starting out with some provocative guests. It's free to say you don't agree with that strategy. I just don't see it as some kind of betrayal.

Newsom is highly skilled at spitting out numbers and facts in a charismatic way, by not being antagonistic to these folks maybe he thinks he can convert some of their fans. And we could use a few of them, quite frankly. There are millions of people walking about believing in fairy tales. They can see the Trump shitshow in real time, but there's a certain cognitive dissonance at play. Telling them that they're idiots does not work. You have to first get their attention, and then explain to them exactly how the facts are on our side.
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This is the entire reason NOT to interview them. Kirk and Bannon aren't well meaning but misguided; they are consciously bad people. They know what's going on, and they are here for it. They like it. They want it. And no politician cum Podcaster is going to cause them to have any come to Jesus moment or other epiphany. What's happening is what they WANT.

The only thing we need to know about Newsom is that he used to be married to Kim Guilfoyle and judging by his choice of podcast guests he is obviously still on good terms with her. That alone disqualifies him.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
No, no we don't. Not when the other side are fascist scum.

Fist. In. Face. Repeat as necessary. That's the only way to "communicate" with nazis and really the only form of communication that such people understand or respect.
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If the other side is openly avocating the distruction of democracy, I don't believe that hearing them argue the point is going to be helpful.
 
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