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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

manny said:


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I have no data on this whatsoever. But when all you're talking about is suicides and psych meds you're focusing on the extremes of mental health. And bravo if there's been a real improvement there, maybe all that family time helps a lot of people.

But from my perspective the issues relate more to normal, average child development. And I think that's a lot of what most parents are experiencing. For sure there's the "selfish" side, aka I can't work when my kids are at home, but there's been a huge shift in social patterns that I believe is unhealthy. Not to mention kids being "trapped" in homes where parents are drowning.
 
CTheBigPicture said:
These people I cheer for to survive.

Their survival means they'll spread this message to their family and friends. May help save many other lives.

Others who are on near death bed and still toe the political line, still deny science, still call a pandemic a hoax....those people need to go. Cause if they survive, they will use themselves as examples that they were right all along. They'll get empowered. They'll drag a few more people with them.
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100%. Me too.
 
Aberdeen said:
I have no data on this whatsoever. But when all you're talking about is suicides and psych meds you're focusing on the extremes of mental health. And bravo if there's been a real improvement there, maybe all that family time helps a lot of people.

But from my perspective the issues relate more to normal, average child development. And I think that's a lot of what most parents are experiencing. For sure there's the "selfish" side, aka I can't work when my kids are at home, but there's been a huge shift in social patterns that I believe is unhealthy. Not to mention kids being "trapped" in homes where parents are drowning.
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Definitely truth to that.

www.nature.com

The COVID generation: how is the pandemic affecting kids’ brains?

Child-development researchers are asking whether the pandemic is shaping brains and behaviour.
www.nature.com www.nature.com
 
Aberdeen said:
I have no data on this whatsoever. But when all you're talking about is suicides and psych meds you're focusing on the extremes of mental health. And bravo if there's been a real improvement there, maybe all that family time helps a lot of people.

But from my perspective the issues relate more to normal, average child development. And I think that's a lot of what most parents are experiencing. For sure there's the "selfish" side, aka I can't work when my kids are at home, but there's been a huge shift in social patterns that I believe is unhealthy. Not to mention kids being "trapped" in homes where parents are drowning.
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Agreed. But the rhetoric from anti-“any restrictions at all” people has mostly been about those extremes - arguing suicides would rise like crazy and cancel out the deaths we save from restrictions.

I think having kids in school is one of the most important things, truly, but I’m not sure there’s an easy answer either because not being able to do it safely and have it rip through schools like wildfire kinda sounds equally as traumatizing. I don’t think we’ve been proactive enough in taking the actions we need to make the schools safe to go back to… just my two cents.
 
It's such a tough balance tbh. Hardest part about pandemic management. Everything else that we failed at should have been easy, but balancing the physical vs mental health of kids is something I've got no solution for. I just know that doing nothing to at least try to make schools safer and just letting it rip through the child population is not ideal. Most kids would be fine in that scenario but you'd be sacrificing the physical health of too many (the ol' small percentage of a large number = large number of serious cases thing).

But at the end of the day I straight up don't know if it's even possible to make schools safe. So what do you do? No idea.
 
Btw, I don’t actually think Aberdeen was arguing keep them all open no matter what anyway, just that the last two years have been total shit in a lot of ways for the kids. And I totally agree. And for the parents. The back and forth must be crazy frustrating too.
 
Aberdeen said:
I have no data on this whatsoever. But when all you're talking about is suicides and psych meds you're focusing on the extremes of mental health. And bravo if there's been a real improvement there, maybe all that family time helps a lot of people.

But from my perspective the issues relate more to normal, average child development. And I think that's a lot of what most parents are experiencing. For sure there's the "selfish" side, aka I can't work when my kids are at home, but there's been a huge shift in social patterns that I believe is unhealthy. Not to mention kids being "trapped" in homes where parents are drowning.
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All good points. I don’t subscribe to either extreme. I have personally seen both the negative, in terms of academic and social development, and the positive, in terms of sense of family and spending lots of quality time with littles.

Posted the thread because it’s the first thing I’ve seen that counters the idea (which I am very sympathetic to) that overall mental health outcomes of the lockdown/school closure strategies are negative.
 
We've built a bit of a horseshit societal system that breeds a shit ton of unhappiness, mental illness, etc. This is a particularly shit time to live in said system, but the idea that being unable to do forced societal horseshit was somehow detrimental was always a bad one.

This obviously isn't to say that forced social lockdown is better, just that the hand wringing over any deviation from the previous program was always founded on bad ideas.
 
hockeylover said:
Btw, I don’t actually think Aberdeen was arguing keep them all open no matter what anyway, just that the last two years have been total shit in a lot of ways for the kids. And I totally agree. And for the parents. The back and forth must be crazy frustrating too.
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Believe me, it has been.

My step son has a lot of different issues but he really needs the routine of school. Without that routine, it really has inflamed a lot of his issues. It has not been good for his mental health, we have noticed that. And unless we sit with him for 6 hours, virtual learning is a no go. At school he has extra help and an EA so I am not sure how they expect us to do it.

Plus, his mother and I really need the break from him to be perfectly honest. He is a lot to handle and having him in school is better for all of us.
 
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MapleLeafBlueJayBoy said:
Believe me, it has been.

My step son has a lot of different issues but he really needs the routine of school. Without that routine, it really has inflamed a lot of his issues. It has not been good for his mental health, we have noticed that. And unless we sit with him for 6 hours, virtual learning is a no go. At school he has extra help and an EA so I am not sure how they expect us to do it.

Plus, his mother and I really need the break from him to be perfectly honest. He is a lot to handle and having him in school is better for all of us.
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Many EAs are in person right now but those are for more extreme cases (apologies if that isn't the right wording).

I wish they would have done anything to be semi creative... break the class into 2 groups and do a 1 week in class and 1 week at home or a 2 days in school 2 elsewhere (make use of libraries, and other community spaces).

Have teachers focus on english/math in school and then have science (upto high school) history etc. Done via video/interactive modules.
 
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