• Moderators, please send me a PM if you are unable to access mod permissions. Thanks, Habsy.

OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

axlsalinger said:
It does illustrate the sheer amount of information out there, much of it conflicting. It's hard for people to figure out the truth, unless you are a true believer of one side or the other like Preston or Beleafer.

That was a joke! But even if you stick to reputable sources, it's still the wild west out there, especially with such a new disease so many places and ways to access information.
Click to expand...
But the study said something different than Mr. Rogan believes it does! The only reason it's hard for people to figure out the truth is because of the amount of prominent people pushing misinformation from either having no idea how to interpret studies or just being obsessed with conspiracy theories!!!! The data is very black and white on the myocarditis issue, and that's basically the only negative side effect that a vaccine may cause, whereas covid could be a lot worse!!

TLDR: I disagree that it is hard to figure this bit out. It is very very easy!! Good ol' objective data is easy!
 
Preston said:
But the study said something different than Mr. Rogan believes it does! The only reason it's hard for people to figure out the truth is because of the amount of prominent people pushing misinformation from either having no idea how to interpret studies or just being obsessed with conspiracy theories!!!! The data is very black and white on the myocarditis issue, and that's basically the only negative side effect that a vaccine may cause, whereas covid could be a lot worse!!

TLDR: I disagree that it is hard to figure this bit out. It is very very easy!! Good ol' objective data is easy!
Click to expand...
requires a certain amount of intelligence to interpret/understand, may be the missing ingredient here.
 
Wayward DP said:
requires a certain amount of intelligence to interpret/understand, may be the missing ingredient here.
Click to expand...
Or do they just believe what they want to believe? I am sympathetic that it may be a decent question to ask if you believe that myocarditis is the only risk you have when catching covid; it's still likely a worthwhile product in that scenario based on the data we have, but it would be a worthwhile question to ask. But we obviously know that myocarditis is probably one of the more mild complications one could have with infection.
 
I agree the research is pretty clear, but certainly not based on this article.

I would argue that an intelligent but skeptical person who reads it would conclude that it may not be a good idea to vaccinate teenage boys based on the data discussed. That's on the Guardian for not being clear enough, this is the 1st sentence!

Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim.
 
Wayward DP said:
is getting shit kicked worse than having all your classmates sharing your sextape, filmed without your consent when you're a minor?
Click to expand...
Yup, getting harassed by a bully one on one is way less traumatizing than online where other people can see it. Kids that age are so worried about what others think of them, it can get pretty bad really quick.
 
axlsalinger said:
I agree the research is pretty clear, but certainly not based on this article.

I would argue that an intelligent but skeptical person who reads it would conclude that it may not be a good idea to vaccinate teenage boys based on the data discussed. That's on the Guardian for not being clear enough, this is the 1st sentence!

Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim.
Click to expand...
That's why you look at data and not the media's interpretation of a study! You can spin whatever narrative you want but raw data is raw data. And in this particular case it couldn't possibly be any more clear tbh. And this is coming from someone that thinks we need to eventually get away from mRNA products. But you have to look at the risk-reward profile and it's very obviously still favorable. It's not particularly close and I'm a bit surprised that folks would argue otherwise at this stage!

But I agree... If you look hard enough you can find ANYTHING that you want to believe. If you want to believe that vaccines are the devil you can find an article or study that says they are. I just think it's the whole "I'm a critical thinker" culture we have and that's not a particularly good thing considering most of these critical thinkers are really really dumb. Leave that "thinking" to the experts and we'd all be in a better place today.
 
axlsalinger said:
Yup, getting harassed by a bully one on one is way less traumatizing than online where other people can see it. Kids that age are so worried about what others think of them, it can get pretty bad really quick.
Click to expand...

Maybe this is just my rexdale upbringing and all, but I've been personally threatened with stabbing (multiple times, the first time in grade 5 ffs) as part of bullying and know 2 people stabbed (1 almost fatal) from teen bullying. Those are just the highlights.

There's levels to this shit.

I think there's a bit too much recency (as well as middle class white) bias in this overall conversation of physical vs cyber. Zero tolerance, giving a fuck about bullying, etc, etc are all relatively new social inventions. You just didn't report that shit where I lived. If you did, you were a snitch and it got worse for you. Very, very real consequences.
 
I apologize for not expecting Joe Rogan to sit down and analyze raw medical data. And instead reading articles from bullshit sources like The Guardian.
 
axlsalinger said:
I apologize for not expecting Joe Rogan to sit down and analyze raw medical data. And instead reading articles from bullshit sources like The Guardian.
Click to expand...
I expect a guy with that sort of platform to be better than this, yes. Whether he likes it or not, he has that responsibility.

Btw this isn't in depth raw data. It's literally rates of myocarditis. One is higher than the other. It's actually easier to be accurate than doing in depth google searching for results that fit his narrative in a misleading article. He goes out of his way to peddle misinformation.
 
MindzEye said:
Maybe this is just my rexdale upbringing and all, but I've been personally threatened with stabbing (multiple times, the first time in grade 5 ffs) as part of bullying and know 2 people stabbed (1 almost fatal) from teen bullying. Those are just the highlights.

There's levels to this shit.
Click to expand...
Okay boomer!

Yeah, people in a scene that can turn violent like that are definitely worse off.

Just arguing that the vast majority of teens nowadays aren't facing anything like that with rare exceptions. It's repeatedly getting mocked, embarrassed and bullied in front of peers online that leads to a number of teenage suicides.
 
Preston said:
I expect a guy with that sort of platform to be better than this, yes. Whether he likes it or not, he has that responsibility.

Btw this isn't in depth raw data. It's literally rates of myocarditis. One is higher than the other. It's actually easier to be accurate than doing in depth google searching for results that fit his narrative in a misleading article. He goes out of his way to peddle misinformation.
Click to expand...
This is a criticism of his overall approach to the pandemic, which I agree has been an unmitigated disaster.

Just saying (again) that this particular issue is debatable, a number of reasonable medical people have talked about it. Even the companies themselves take longer to approve kids for these type of reasons (ie. much less likely to get covid, to have serious symptoms from it, or to be hospitalized because of it). At any rate, I have fulfilled my quota of defending Joe Rogan on pandemic-related issues. Burn the witch!
 
axlsalinger said:
Okay boomer!

Yeah, people in a scene that can turn violent like that are definitely worse off.

Just arguing that the vast majority of teens nowadays aren't facing anything like that with rare exceptions. It's repeatedly getting mocked, embarrassed and bullied in front of peers online that leads to a number of teenage suicides.
Click to expand...

I never commented on what was more common, just what was more traumatic.
 
axlsalinger said:
This is a criticism of his overall approach to the pandemic, which I agree has been an unmitigated disaster.

Just saying (again) that this particular issue is debatable, a number of reasonable medical people have talked about it. Even the companies themselves take longer to approve kids for these type of reasons (ie. much less likely to get covid, to have serious symptoms from it, or to be hospitalized because of it). At any rate, I have fulfilled my quota of defending Joe Rogan on pandemic-related issues. Burn the witch!
Click to expand...
This bit is not true. It hasn't been much of a debate among the non contrarians. Maybe doctors in "critical thinker" circles like that Attia guy or some others but those fellas aren't experts on viruses or vaccines. You can't possibly weigh their opinions as heavily as people who dedicate their lives to viruses, vaccines and infectious diseases. It's like asking Masai if the Leafs should trade Nylander for Ritchie and weighing his opinion as an equal to our Lord and Savior Kyle Dubas.

And they are taking longer to approve children because they just started trials on them last summer; for adults they started in early 2020. And guess what? Rates of the dreaded myocarditis on 5-11 year olds is nearly 0!
 
Well there are side effects tot the vaccine, and they show up more when scaled in the billions of doses, but they occur far less often and are far less severe than the side effectsof covid, which is the whole point.

IMO the dumbest part of it is that no one makes decisions with that kind of risk calculation anywhere else in life. Every medication has side effects. The odds of dying in a car accident are 1 in 100, but everyone still gets into cars. Odds of dying of heart disease are 1 in 6 but every still eats garbage and doesn't work out.

But there is a 1 in 100,000 risk, or whatever it is, of myocarditis or some other serious side effect from getting a vaccine and that is decisive? Its not logical. Especially when you consider the odds of negative consequences from getting covid unvaccinated.
 
And it's ONE side effect. Probably one of the least scary side effects of all the potential issues you can have from a covid infection. But antivaxxers are so fucking fixated on it. It's all they've got so I don't blame them.
 
MindzEye said:
I never commented on what was more common, just what was more traumatic.
Click to expand...

Sticks and stones, right. Physical injuries heal with time. Mental take some work.

Cyber bullying with kids, and social media use in general with kids, is a real problem I think. I don't think the nature of kids, or people in general, change simply because the interaction is online instead of in real life.

The world is just different now, and we are too old to understand it. But people live in the metaverse, not the "real" world.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top