OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

[MapleLeafBlueJayBoy]

Today’s coronavirus news: Ontario reports 4,061 people hospitalized; Niagara health leader’s introduction of stronger measures in schools draws ire of Ford government

Meanwhile, surging number of infections, driven by Omicron variant, is putting increasing strain on Alberta’s already overwhelmed healthcare system; top doctor says he’s cautiously optimistic Omicron-driven wave of pandemic may be flattening across First Nations.

www.thestar.com

So lets open things up says DoFo!

 

[Wayward DP]

there is an election upcoming, after all

 

[Preston]

And there is going to be a serious health crisis on our hands for years to come. More than anything else we need treatments to solve this long covid issue because it's real and if we're all going to accept getting infected by this thing 10+ times in our lifetime, that's a lot of rolling of the dice.

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[UWHabs]

And of course it's rarely black and white. A severely sick patient being infected WITH covid, but is primarily being treated for something else is hardly a positive thing. The data tells us very little until we understand what proportion of the "WITH" coviders have broken legs and what proportion are very sick elderly patients, for example, who have hospital acquired infections. As I said, the second largest cause of death throughout this pandemic in Ontario have been from hospital acquired infections.

And yeah, work a single shift at any hospital and you'll probably why there isn't MORE "hysteria."

Yeah, there's a severe difference of being hospitalized with pneumonia WITH covid vs having a broken leg WITH covid.

Of course, you can't just ignore the broken leg with covid. Yeah, obviously Covid didn't cause it (barring it coming from coughing so violently you fell down the stairs), but I'm pretty sure hospitals need different precautions. You can't just have the guy with a broken leg but who has covid sitting on a bed in the hallway, so they're still going to take a different level of care than someone with a broken leg who doesn't have covid.

 

[Preston]

Yeah, there's a severe difference of being hospitalized with pneumonia WITH covid vs having a broken leg WITH covid.

Of course, you can't just ignore the broken leg with covid. Yeah, obviously Covid didn't cause it (barring it coming from coughing so violently you fell down the stairs), but I'm pretty sure hospitals need different precautions. You can't just have the guy with a broken leg but who has covid sitting on a bed in the hallway, so they're still going to take a different level of care than someone with a broken leg who doesn't have covid.

Nope. But that's why the "with" vs "for" covid data in itself is meaningless. There is no proper context until you get a proper breakdown. If all of the 45% were young folks with broken legs, that would be great. They should tell us that! Otherwise there is little point in publishing this data because it is incomplete without context.

 

[worm]

Yeah, there's a severe difference of being hospitalized with pneumonia WITH covid vs having a broken leg WITH covid.

Of course, you can't just ignore the broken leg with covid. Yeah, obviously Covid didn't cause it (barring it coming from coughing so violently you fell down the stairs), but I'm pretty sure hospitals need different precautions. You can't just have the guy with a broken leg but who has covid sitting on a bed in the hallway, so they're still going to take a different level of care than someone with a broken leg who doesn't have covid.

this sparked a couple of thoughts

the people trying to cling to this belief that covid is overblown is so stupid - we are likely UNDER counting everything from cases to deaths

friend of the family was not technically a hospital covid case even though she had to go to the hospital every few days for oxygen
she was sent him and never actually put into a hospital bed - note if her husband wasnt not there to take care of her she likely would have had to go in
- point? for every "with covid" there are probably a bunch of people that probably should be in the hospital

a friend's dad had lung issues, then got covid, survived, but a few months later he died from lung issues - not ruled a covid death but i am pretty damn sure the covid did not help his lungs

 

[Wayward DP]

And there is going to be a serious health crisis on our hands for years to come. More than anything else we need treatments to solve this long covid issue because it's real and if we're all going to accept getting infected by this thing 10+ times in our lifetime, that's a lot of rolling of the dice.

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"significant longterm neurological damage" + "mild infection". scary stuff.

 

[Wayward DP]

Nope. But that's why the "with" vs "for" covid data in itself is meaningless. There is no proper context until you get a proper breakdown. If all of the 45% were young folks with broken legs, that would be great. They should tell us that! Otherwise there is little point in publishing this data because it is incomplete without context.

yeah this is a good way of putting it.

 

[Preston]

"significant longterm neurological damage" + "mild infection". scary stuff.

Starting to see some great research on this stuff. This ain't just a respiratory virus like the flu or a common cold and it probably never will be. If one infection gave us sterilizing immunity that would be one thing, but we're gonna be living with this and getting infected with it multiple times throughout our lifetime.

There's just a lot we don't know. Long polio was a thing that manifested itself 30 or 40 years after infection. EBV is a strong link to MS as we just confirmed. Ebola survivors are all fucked up and there are a lot of similarities in the long-term impacts between Ebola survivors and the long coviders. Ebola is farrrrrrrrr more virulent but how many people will escape longterm impacts on covid after their 10, 15, 20th infections? Our best hope is that each passing exposure becomes milder, but for some we can probably expect the opposite to happen; and it's also probably more likely that covid is never gonna be mild. It's likely just a different beast. Most long coviders are now immunosuppressed (due to naive t-cell depletion) and have chronic infections all of their bodies (thrush, vaginitis, etc.); makes you more prone to things like cancer too. Thankfully we know vaccines and not being immune naive reduces the risk but hard to say how much. Studies are all over the place on that topic.

TLDR: We're here for a good time, not a long time (maybe). So have a good time.

 

[blkngldbabe]

So gyms are
Opening back up on the 31st. Just got my recall email.

 

[anne25]

The big relaxation of restrictions sure didn’t amount to much immediate change. I was surprised how l slowly the planned changes are taking place.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

So gyms are
Opening back up on the 31st. Just got my recall email.

Gyms here in Alberta never closed that I know of. The one I go to just mandates that you be fully vaxxed. My QR code is now embedded in my membership card app so when I scan in at the front desk it confirms that I'm safe. But I've been going since October and the wife was going months before then and aside from the usual Covid protocols it's the same as it ever was.

 

[MindzEye]

Unvaxxed 65 yr old Mexican mother in law has the omicron....


Buckle up.

 

[blkngldbabe]

Gyms here in Alberta never closed that I know of. The one I go to just mandates that you be fully vaxxed. My QR code is now embedded in my membership card app so when I scan in at the front desk it confirms that I'm safe. But I've been going since October and the wife was going months before then and aside from the usual Covid protocols it's the same as it ever was.

I work at Goodlife as an instructor. They aren’t allowed to keep QRs on file for members so they get scanned every time they come. It’s a PITA.

 

[axlsalinger]

I work at Goodlife as an instructor. They aren’t allowed to keep QRs on file for members so they get scanned every time they come. It’s a PITA.

It's every thread now. Sigh.

 

[MindzEye]

I'm taking over our next GDT with a carne asada discussion

 

[Stinky]

And of course it's rarely black and white. A severely sick patient being infected WITH covid, but is primarily being treated for something else is hardly a positive thing. The data tells us very little until we understand what proportion of the "WITH" coviders have broken legs and what proportion are very sick elderly patients, for example, who have hospital acquired infections. As I said, the second largest cause of death throughout this pandemic in Ontario have been from hospital acquired infections.

And yeah, work a single shift at any hospital and you'll probably why there isn't MORE "hysteria."

The hysteria is coming from the media. Not the doctors. It's almost as though they are demanding the government do more here and questioning the wisdom of opening schools.

Our PC government is quite progressive in their recognition that marginalized and racialized kids have heat, safety and food at school.

For many in this province which has a higher than average per capita child poverty rate, school is the only warm safe place where they get fed.

And the so called hard hitting reporters are claiming that this is putting people's lives behind the interests of business and calling on the province for more restrictive measures.

And they're doing this at a time when we have less people on ventilators and in critical situations then we did at previous peaks. Yeah the media here are behaving an irresponsible and hysterical fashion trying to sow more fear. Fear catches clicks.

 

[Volcanologist]

It's every thread now. Sigh.

careful...those look suspiciously like fries in the background...

 

[hockeylover]

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

I work at Goodlife as an instructor. They aren’t allowed to keep QRs on file for members so they get scanned every time they come. It’s a PITA.

It's voluntary for us (LA Fitness) You can have your QR added to your membership app if you want but if you don't then you have to scan that too. And once you're in the door and scanned in as fully vaccinated, wearing a mask is optional too. Some wear them but most don't, including me.