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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

Yeah I think we're gonna get that everywhere. Even Dr. Moore in Ontario essentially said he's giving up yesterday and that his only goal is for hospitals to not collapse. That's the story everywhere. We just don't have the leeway on that front that other nations do.

Of course none of this will age well. It will come at an extraordinary cost. But governments are done waiting on more scientific advancements. We just don't have the tools to beat this thing available to us right now and we don't know when we will. So the solution is to pretend it doesn't exist.
 
lecoqsportif said:
What is their vax rate? We’ll be stuck in endless loops if most of the world’s pop has rates south of 70%, no?
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Think it's around 35%. I'm not sure the vaccines work very well against Omicron anyway tbh. Updated omicron vaccines are prolly needed but we won't get those probably till later summer or fall (unless another variant takes over by then).

Denmark has a lot of the BA.2 variant right now and their caseload and hospitalizations keep going up and up and up. No peak in sight. They have the equivalent of ~130,000 cases per day in Ontario. They also test way more than almost anyone but still... no peak and just deciding to live with 1% of their population infected per day.

TLDR: Updated omicron vaccines would be nice. But longer term we need vaccines that simulate natural infection better by giving us a mucosal immune response in addition to the wonderful systemic immune response we get from the intramuscular vaccines. A lot of work is being done behind the scenes to get there on that front. Intranasal vaccines are likely gonna have to be the future and the only thing that gets this pandemic under control. Theoretically we should get closer to sterilizing immunity if we figure that bit out. It's coming!
 
On that note, one of the candidates is beginning phase 3 trials to boost previously vaccinated folks in Inida: https://www.oneindia.com/india/bhar...itter&utm_medium=AMP&utm_campaign=SocialShare

Others are ongoing, and a revolutionary method was just discovered a couple of days ago by an immunologist and her team. They are hoping to get funding to begin trials using their method that appears to be extremely intriguing. But hopefully this Bharat product works just fine too!
 
Preston said:
Yeah I think we're gonna get that everywhere. Even Dr. Moore in Ontario essentially said he's giving up yesterday and that his only goal is for hospitals to not collapse. That's the story everywhere. We just don't have the leeway on that front that other nations do.

Of course none of this will age well. It will come at an extraordinary cost. But governments are done waiting on more scientific advancements. We just don't have the tools to beat this thing available to us right now and we don't know when we will. So the solution is to pretend it doesn't exist.
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and I would add I think that the bigger factor is that the majority of folks are just 'done' with the pandemic.
 
COVID won the war. We're subjected. Hopefully with the right drugs we can overthrow our oppressor before too long.
 
In addition to intranasal products that will always do a superior job of blocking transmission, there is this:



Science will save us. Science will save us. Science will save us. Say it with me. Have to remember we're largely in this spot because the vaccines are nearly useless in blocking infection/transmission at this stage due to omicron. What if... we have a completely variant-proof product? Sounds like it's coming!

In the meantime try to get infected as little as possible. It may take a bit but nerds will win in the end.
 
i think it was ME that said somewhere on page 4
that nerds were going to save us and people would claim we overacted

probably still true but i did not think it would take 7 years
 
worm said:
i think it was ME that said somewhere on page 4
that nerds were going to save us and people would claim we overacted

probably still true but i did not think it would take 7 years
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The current vaccines did kinda save us tho! They came ridiculously fast and likely saved hundreds of thousands (millions?) of lives across the world. It's an imperfect stop-gap but we'd be fucked if we went through this wave or the delta wave without any protection.

But yes, the "final" solution where we could say covid is no longer a major day to day threat is when we get some gen 2 products + ironclad, safe/easy to administer treatments. Likely years away but meh. Remember, it took about 7 years after HIV was discovered before treatments became available and it was longer a major threat to society. I wouldn't EXPECT covid to be on a different timeline but it would be cool if it was shorter!
 
Preston said:
The current vaccines did kinda save us tho! They came ridiculously fast and likely saved hundreds of thousands (millions?) of lives across the world. It's an imperfect stop-gap but we'd be fucked if we went through this wave or the delta wave without any protection.

But yes, the "final" solution where we could say covid is no longer a major day to day threat is when we get some gen 2 products + ironclad, safe/easy to administer treatments. Likely years away but meh. Remember, it took about 7 years after HIV was discovered before treatments became available and it was longer a major threat to society. I wouldn't EXPECT covid to be on a different timeline but it would be cool if it was shorter!
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i also heard that the spanish flu was really bad for 2 years and then pretty meh for 5 years after that

i did not do my own research so that might be wrong

but i could live with that - 2 shit years then some meh years from 2022 forward
 
worm said:
i also heard that the spanish flu was really bad for 2 years and then pretty meh for 5 years after that

i did not do my own research so that might be wrong

but i could live with that - 2 shit years then some meh years from 2022 forward
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Sounds about right! Problem with covid is that it's getting more infectious with time and this version of the enemy is very different than the original. This did not happen with the Spanish flu. But... Maybe we get lucky and it keeps getting milder or some shit. Or maybe our immunity makes it mild. But I'm not too excited about some of the shit they're finding out about what these infections can do to your body so I'm not too keen on finding out! Though I may have no choice.
 
From the antivax, white supremist, Trump-loving, British Medical Journal.

Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now
Peter Doshi, senior editor
Fiona Godlee, former editor in chief
Kamran Abbasi, editor in chief

The BMJ, London, UK
www.bmj.com

Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now

Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different pandemic, it came to light that governments around the world had spent billions stockpiling antivirals for influenza that had not been shown to reduce the risk...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com

The errors of the last pandemic are being repeated. Memories are short. Today, despite the global rollout of covid-19 vaccines and treatments, the anonymised participant level data underlying the trials for these new products remain inaccessible to doctors, researchers, and the public—and are likely to remain that way for years to come.16 This is morally indefensible for all trials, but especially for those involving major public health interventions.
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We are left with publications but no access to the underlying data on reasonable request. This is worrying for trial participants, researchers, clinicians, journal editors, policy makers, and the public. The journals that have published these primary studies may argue that they faced an awkward dilemma, caught between making the summary findings available quickly and upholding the best ethical values that support timely access to underlying data. In our view, there is no dilemma; the anonymised individual participant data from clinical trials must be made available for independent scrutiny.
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As well as access to the underlying data, transparent decision making is essential. Regulators and public health bodies could release details27 such as why vaccine trials were not designed to test efficacy against infection and spread of SARS-CoV-2.2
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Big pharma is the least trusted industry.30 At least three of the many companies making covid-19 vaccines have past criminal and civil settlements costing them billions of dollars.31 One pleaded guilty to fraud.31 [Pfizer] Other companies have no pre-covid track record. Now the covid pandemic has minted many new pharma billionaires, and vaccine manufacturers have reported tens of billions in revenue.32
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As the global vaccine rollout continues, it cannot be justifiable or in the best interests of patients and the public that we are left to just trust “in the system,” with the distant hope that the underlying data may become available for independent scrutiny at some point in the future.
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Pharmaceutical companies are reaping vast profits without adequate independent scrutiny of their scientific claims.33 The purpose of regulators is not to dance to the tune of rich global corporations and enrich them further; it is to protect the health of their populations. We need complete data transparency for all studies, we need it in the public interest, and we need it now.
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I wonder what would compel them come out with such an unusually strong statement like this?

Maybe they’ve been reading the suppressed scientific literature or listening to all the highly credential scientists who are censored daily by so-called liberal media, twitter, YouTube and FB.

These so-called vaccines have serious risks, don’t confer lasting immunity, don’t stop transmission, are completely unnecessary for the majority of people … but keep checking your twitter feed and take another jab, won’t you?
 
CH1 said:
the article is not unreasonable
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Nope.

There are a handful of lawsuits going on right now to try to get access to the data, I agree that it would be nice if Pfizer would just provide it. I appreciate the whole counter argument about trade secrets and such, and that the data has been obviously turned over to appropriate regulatory bodies (who have all approved pfizer's and other manufacturers vaccines) but this is a pretty unique situation in which the public (via government) were willing to invest in streamlined oversight and the more eyes we have on the data the better.
 
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