axlsalinger
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So there are a bunch of fake doctors working at Johns Hopkins? Seems like that should be kind of a crisis since they are quite highly regarded in the U.S.? Not to mention the NIH.
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Preston
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He did a surgery residency there and they forced him out. It was never completed. I'll repeat this one more time:
1. No completed residency.
2. Not board certified
3. Doesn't practice in an actual existing field of medicine with actual translational research
axlsalinger
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He was at Johns Hopkins for 5 years. Then at NIH for 2 years.
Also the accusations about "pseudoscience" are particularly silly since every argument he makes is based on data.
Also the accusations about "pseudoscience" are particularly silly since every argument he makes is based on data.
Preston
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I'm not commenting on his covid takes. He can be the smartest covider ever for all I know!
I'm just saying he isn't board certified and never completed his residency and had to make up a field of medicine and does private consultations for 50k per year in his practice; which is likely pennies compared to what he makes elsewhere!
To review:
1. No completed residency (he spent 5 years but was pushed out)
2. Not board certified (had he completed his residency this would not be the case)
3. Doesn't practice in an actual existing field of medicine with actual translational research (this is where the grifter bit began.. and now he's making a name for himself in media!)
I'm just saying he isn't board certified and never completed his residency and had to make up a field of medicine and does private consultations for 50k per year in his practice; which is likely pennies compared to what he makes elsewhere!
To review:
1. No completed residency (he spent 5 years but was pushed out)
2. Not board certified (had he completed his residency this would not be the case)
3. Doesn't practice in an actual existing field of medicine with actual translational research (this is where the grifter bit began.. and now he's making a name for himself in media!)
Deckie007
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Here's my issue. He took the highest risk age group of auto fatalities, drug overdoses, and homicides (suicides are actually higher over 65) and compared against the lowest risk group of Covid. Of course the data says what it says.
axlsalinger
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If Preston's first exposure to Zeke was a tweet about the awfulness of potatoes, he would have insulted and cancelled him, and never stuck around to get all the hockey data charts, Italian jokes and thumb pics!
axlsalinger
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Also I'm guilty of this at times too, but we do have to limit the use of "grifter" as an insult against people who do things for money. Who the fuck doesn't do things for money? #WeAreAllGrifters
And you only didn't cancel him because you saw the hockey data charts first, and then the thumb pics, at which point you were already a zeke believer able to overcome the horrific takes on potatoes!
And you only didn't cancel him because you saw the hockey data charts first, and then the thumb pics, at which point you were already a zeke believer able to overcome the horrific takes on potatoes!
Deckie007
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Presto is simply stating why the good Doctor(?) is not a worthwhile source for him. You can do whatever you want.
Preston
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I have complimented him aggressively for his success. I did the same for Dr. Drew and Dr. Phil. These people were significant overachievers and capitalized on their charisma incredibly. He has done a fantastic job making money outside of his practice. But yes, he is a grifter like the others. It doesn't have to be a negative thing.
axlsalinger
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And I'm telling you he has nothing in common with those people who are both obvious charlatans.
LeafGm
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I don't really know anything about the dude that's the subject of this argument (though the idiotic chart/tweet that BeLeafer posted makes me strongly suspect that Attia's a charlatan), so I can't really weigh in definitely with an opinion on who's right here.
But man axl, I think "censorship" and "cancel culture" have become your new favourite words ever since you were the only person around here to ride to Joe Rogan's defense following Neil Young's Spotify boycott.
But man axl, I think "censorship" and "cancel culture" have become your new favourite words ever since you were the only person around here to ride to Joe Rogan's defense following Neil Young's Spotify boycott.
axlsalinger
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Never thought I'd see the day when I had to continually fight for people on Forum Ice to choose data over feelings in multiple threads.
manny
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When it comes to issues of public safety, it is a negative thing because people will die unnecessarily.
If my “Seatbelts are an attack on my freedom” blog ever reaches a million followers and starts to make me a great deal of money, you’ll see what I mean.
axlsalinger
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How many times do I have to fucking say that he is PRO-VACCINE. The data on this is clear which is why we all agree with it so strongly.
manny
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I don’t even know who Attia is. I just see the board idiot suggesting Covid precautions are overblown because young people die from other causes, and you screeching “cancel culture” because someone questions Attia’s credentials.
If Attia’s point is that we should also see other leading causes of death as societal crises, and reform our medical system accordingly, then great! That’s not how it comes across.
If Attia’s point is that we should also see other leading causes of death as societal crises, and reform our medical system accordingly, then great! That’s not how it comes across.
Preston
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I haven't talked about a single one of his covid takes. I don't even know what he thinks. I just know he never completed his residency, isn't board certified and made up a medical field to start his own practice. And I believe it was him(?) who called omicron "nature's vaccine" and said that natural immunity is confirmed to be better than vax immunity which is objectively wrong (data is still very unclear on reinfection data). But other than that he was fine on the podcast. He's got sweet ass charisma and such, much like Dr. Drew.
axlsalinger
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Also want to comment briefly on this point. As we get older, nothing will be more important than data on "longevity". The field is in its infancy, but we all want to (a) live longer, and perhaps more importantly, (b) have a better quality of life. Because people are living longer than ever before now.
Even if you knew you were going to die at 82 either way, would you rather start getting frail and weak at 70, eventually using a walker from 74-80 and then spending age 80-82 in a nursing home. Or would you prefer to keep doing pretty much whatever you want until spending some time with a walker and hospital from 81-82?
There's obvious stuff like exercise and eat healthy, but accumulating as much data as possible to figure out optimal supplements, foods and exercises is a worthwhile endeavour. Because right now we still know so little. One of the few good things about covid is that medical research is going to explode in the next 10-20 years in all fields, including this one. It's actually a crucial field in medical research.