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That may be true of Southern Italian (which informs most North American Italian restaurants) but Northern Italian cuisine doesn't rely on the humble tomato.

It's not even true of southern italian. Tomato and cheese are pretty much condiments, not in any way integral ingredients.
 
That may be true of Southern Italian (which informs most North American Italian restaurants) but Northern Italian cuisine doesn't rely on the humble tomato.
Yeah I'm mostly basing it on my small town cuisine about 2 hours east of Rome (where I've spent most of my time and about 15% of my life). The food is fucking incredible but I don't think it's fair to call it complex or anything. It's ultimately my preference because of what I grew up with but in my younger adult stage after traveling to places that aren't Italy, I have come to the conclusion that yeah.. you could probably call Italian food "bland" by comparison.
 
Pretty much any vegetable. Want your kid to eat his Brussel Sprouts? Put Hollandaise on it.
 
It's not even true of southern italian. Tomato and cheese are pretty much condiments, not in any way integral ingredients.
Twas' an exaggeration. I've spent a good percentage of my life living in Italy. I'm fully aware of the food and I'm fully aware that American Italian is its own genre. But the beauty in Italian food for me is its simplicity; letting quality ingredients stand out on their own. I can certainly see how people could find it "bland" compared to something like Mexican or even Thai food, for example. It's fucking amazing food. I'm not knocking it. But on a global scale, it's bland.
 
If you want a soup that's comforting and darn delicious try this

 
The secret to good tomato sauce is that you should be able to make a kickass dish with all the same ingredients and cooking methods, but without the tomatoes.
 
Yeah I'm mostly basing it on my small town cuisine about 2 hours east of Rome (where I've spent most of my time and about 15% of my life). The food is fucking incredible but I don't think it's fair to call it complex or anything. It's ultimately my preference because of what I grew up with but in my younger adult stage after traveling to places that aren't Italy, I have come to the conclusion that yeah.. you could probably call Italian food "bland" by comparison.

Curried Chicken with Roti Trini Style might be my favourite dish ever. I love Biryani. I like a lot of spicy stuff with interesting flavours. But I still don't see Italian food as bland in comparison.
 
The closest thing I get to hollandaise is my kickass carbonara but even then I dont have any butter or cream in there.
 
Curried Chicken with Roti Trini Style might be my favourite dish ever. I love Biryani. I like a lot of spicy stuff with interesting flavours. But I still don't see Italian food as bland in comparison.
May just depend on people's definitions of bland. I don't eat any curry but for me, but for me Italian food side by side something like that? Bland as all hell. From personal experience those that are into curries are often not the biggest fans of Italian food for that reason.
 
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