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MindzEye said:
Yes, but then I see the same person basically saying that you're entirely good with giving me whatever airborn diseases you've got because masks make you uncomfortable and my compassion kind of fucks off at that point.
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Ask about skin rashes.
Ask about my clients on the spectrum.
Ask me about claustrophobia.
Ask PTSD and relying on reassurances from our emotional cue centres.

There's more to that than discomfort.

I'm glad that you guys like masks.

I'm pleased to hear that you all care so much and are willing to go further than I am.

Well done.

You're endurance of the pandemic is admiral.

I do not like how quickly y'all step up on a high horse to sling shame.
 
Stinky said:
Have you tried?

Have you made any attempt at having compassion for someone who disagrees with you or are you just that entrenched?

I've been wearing them for two years.

The sooner we stop the better.

And as a civil society, we get to discuss, debate and disagree.

I support vaccines.

I have supported lots of things through this pandemic.

Something that is no big deal to you, is a big deal to me.

There's an opportunity here if you're willing to start from curiosity.
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I am trying right now and you're not helping here man.

I gave you an opportunity and as far as I can tell you have not yet explained your opposition beyond 'I don't like them'.

I explained my perspective, admitted I did not understand yours, and explained why. I don't know what more I can do.

you're allowed to not like masks. to me, that does not justify prioritizing your personal preference over everyone else's collective safety. I am not trying to be a dick or anything when I say 'explain to me why I am wrong' or 'explain why you disagree'. I don't know that you will change my mind but it would be helpful to have a better understanding of where people who are opposed to masks are coming from. and I still don't.
 
worm said:
im interested

sure masks can be annoying but what is the issue?

in the meantime I would also recommend getting a proper mask - they are much better and more comfortable
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A few things: Rashes and skin infections. I'm plagued by them.

Next?

I'm a bit on the spectrum. Highly sensitive to ANYTHING around my face.

This severely compounds my feelings of claustrophobia and panic. It's really difficult for me to regulate my nervous system around others while wearing masks. It becomes much more difficult for me and others I know to read the signs of social engagement and safety while wearing them.

Also, as I see people globally shedding masks and living with transmission, I want the same here.
 
Preston said:
Honestly a good quality, well-fitted mask is probably more effective than the current vaccines on Omicron.
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And especially when it comes to "herd immunity" type situations. If everyone in a particular building is wearing a high quality mask you get way better herd effects than everyone being maskless but vaxxed on Omicron. And if you're both vaxxed and masked? Even better! This is how you live and do things safely.
 
Stinky said:
Also, as I see people globally shedding masks and living with transmission, I want the same here.
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I mean, do I get to not pay for the medical treatments for their long covid? If they can opt out of protecting themselves, can we opt out of paying their preventable medical bills?

"Living with transmission" of covid is one of the most ridiculous concepts put forward over the last 20 years, and that's not hyperbole. Anyone familiar with the data on long covid is appalled by the concept and that's just regarding the damage that they know is being done, there's a lot of additional damage that they're pretty sure is being done. "Living with transmission" is going to turn into a decades long public health crisis.
 
MindzEye said:
I mean, do I get to not pay for the medical treatments for their long covid? If they can opt out of protecting themselves, can we opt out of paying their preventable medical bills?

"Living with transmission" of covid is one of the most ridiculous concepts put forward over the last 20 years, and that's not hyperbole. Anyone familiar with the data on long covid is appalled by the concept and that's just regarding the damage that they know is being done, there's a lot of additional damage that they're pretty sure is being done. "Living with transmission" is going to turn into a decades long public health crisis.
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Maybe.
 
My concern about masks is that 90% of them are poorly fitted, cloth masks with filters designed to hold back gravel rather than silt. It's a nice display of theater that gives the impression that things are safer than they likely are.

I will still wear em as long as there is a risk but I am able to spend $$ on higher quality ones....I realize that I am likely in the minority as they can run pretty pricey.
 
SundinsTooth said:
My concern about masks is that 90% of them are poorly fitted, cloth masks with filters designed to hold back gravel rather than silt. It's a nice display of theater that gives the impression that things are safer than they likely are.
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Yeah, the mandates should have always been accounting for quality. And providing them for free probably would have saved money in the long run because they would have basically eliminated all transmission in places like grocery stores, shopping malls, etc. There honestly probably would have been no need to ever close retail stores if those were mandated.
 
Preston said:
Yeah, the mandates should have always been accounting for quality. And providing them for free probably would have saved money in the long run because they would have basically eliminated all transmission in places like grocery stores, shopping malls, etc.
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Great idea...free would be ideal. Share the cost as a public health measure. I wonder how many infections that would have stemmed off if it was implemented last year.
 
SundinsTooth said:
Great idea...free would be ideal. Share the cost as a public health measure. I wonder how many infections that would have stemmed off if it was implemented last year.
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Infections would have been prevented + less of a need to close the "economy" when things got out of hand if you're mandating N95s or KN95s in retail stores. Win-win.
 
People want everything opened but they also don't want to wear masks... Well sorry, the virus has other ideas. Suck it up and wear a mask or stop whining about the mockdowns when cases get out of hand.
 
Stinky said:
A few things: Rashes and skin infections. I'm plagued by them.

Next?

I'm a bit on the spectrum. Highly sensitive to ANYTHING around my face.

This severely compounds my feelings of claustrophobia and panic. It's really difficult for me to regulate my nervous system around others while wearing masks. It becomes much more difficult for me and others I know to read the signs of social engagement and safety while wearing them.

Also, as I see people globally shedding masks and living with transmission, I want the same here.
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You’d get more engagement on this issue if you led with your personal difficulties wearing a mask instead of using a loaded term like “security theatre” and just asserting that masks don’t work. They obviously work quite well for a lot of people.

Having spent years in Asia, I used to think it was silly how people with a sniffle would wear a mask around town, in elevators, on transit. Now it seems like common sense.
 
Also?

I have a massive head.

Like way too big.

Not like a chromosone thing, but quite large.

Any of the standard medical masks pull so hard on my ears, that they get cuts.

These days I just wear a knit tube that I pull up over my mouth when I need to get groceries.
 
Just face the fact that mask mandates in Canada will end probably sooner than later. I doubt there will be a law that you can’t wear one (except maybe in banks) if you want. When they do end I would also
bet that most people will gladly shed them.
 
manny said:
You’d get more engagement on this issue if you led with your personal difficulties wearing a mask instead of using a loaded term like “security theatre” and just asserting that masks don’t work. They obviously work quite well for a lot of people.

Having spent years in Asia, I used to think it was silly how people with a sniffle would wear a mask around town, in elevators, on transit. Now it seems like common sense.
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I guess in the case of bars and stadiums where no one ends up wearing them it looks a lot like security theatre.

Same with in schools. Prior to this outbreak, masks in schools were not being enforced much at all.

Even during Omicron, teachers are maskless drinking tea in their classrooms.

So yeah.

It still looks like security theatre to me.

It has all the appearances of being more performative than effective.
 
Stinky said:
A few things: Rashes and skin infections. I'm plagued by them.

Next?

I'm a bit on the spectrum. Highly sensitive to ANYTHING around my face.

This severely compounds my feelings of claustrophobia and panic. It's really difficult for me to regulate my nervous system around others while wearing masks. It becomes much more difficult for me and others I know to read the signs of social engagement and safety while wearing them.

Also, as I see people globally shedding masks and living with transmission, I want the same here.
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first of all
thanks for sharing

there is value in having some exceptions to rules (just like with the vaccine)

for me it still comes back to - wearing a mask saves lives - the alternative is death or more lockdowns
 
Stinky said:
Maybe.
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The answer is obviously no. They're entitled to medical care for their conditions. But get used to care rationing in the future if they want to maintain a socialized health care system. The entire system's function is predicated on "young" (under 60) people costing the system little because we know that the last 2-3 years of an individuals life is what costs the system the lions share of the total health care spend on the individual. When you add chronic illness to significant percentage of "young" people that requires ongoing expense to treat and manage, and can last for decades, you strain the shit out of the system that simply isn't designed to manage millions of people having chronic healthcare conditions for decades.
 
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