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MindzEye said:
Wall would have to be in the south in that case...


Book lore super rusty, haven't touched this series in 10+ years....but....

no, the men of the wall didn't forget about the WW, even though at one point they hadn't seen one for 1000 years. Have to remember that the free folk and MIB did some co mingling over the years and the Free Folk never stopped believing in the existence of the WW.
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I can barely remember the details myself anymore. What was the reason they all awoke and attacked when they did again? Or was there none and NK and his generals were just hanging and building their army for eons till HBO showed up?
 
zeke said:
yeah the true role of the walkers/NK was just as a boogieman, not an actual character.
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Especially because Jon being a targ had no relevance. Sadly GRR will never finish the books so we won't know if it ever had any importance
 
worm said:
Especially because Jon being a targ had no relevance. Sadly GRR will never finish the books so we won't know if it ever had any importance
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Honestly ruined it for me. You can have an amazing series that maybe falls flat with a thud in the last episode and you don’t like the ending. But you can’t have an entire final season of abject stupidity pissing on everything that came before it.

It’s too bad it’s impossible for them to Snyder cut and redo the whole final season. Or at the very least have Jon wake up in a shower and tell us the whole prior year was another Aegon dream and now let’s go find out about NK for reals.
 
MindzEye said:
Wall would have to be in the south in that case...


Book lore super rusty, haven't touched this series in 10+ years....but....

no, the men of the wall didn't forget about the WW, even though at one point they hadn't seen one for 1000 years. Have to remember that the free folk and MIB did some co mingling over the years and the Free Folk never stopped believing in the existence of the WW.
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i think i remember even some of the free folk referring to them more as legends than real people, but i could be wrong.
 
worm said:
Nope. They keep referencing the Prince who was promised and the importance of the icy superman.
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completely irrelevant to anything that's gone on in the show other than making Viserys seem like more of a crazy person.
 
worm said:
Especially because Jon being a targ had no relevance. Sadly GRR will never finish the books so we won't know if it ever had any importance
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I'll say it again - the books were never about coming to some classic triumphant fantasy conclusion. they were all about the Game. Having some kind of clean ending which tied up all the loose ends into some perfectly prophesied ruler was never possible, and why GRR was never interested in finishing the books, and why the forced ending of the show was so bad.

what made the books (and for the most part the show) so great is that every time it seemed like someone was winning, you knew they were about to lose.
 
MindzEye said:
Wall would have to be in the south in that case...


Book lore super rusty, haven't touched this series in 10+ years....but....

no, the men of the wall didn't forget about the WW, even though at one point they hadn't seen one for 1000 years. Have to remember that the free folk and MIB did some co mingling over the years and the Free Folk never stopped believing in the existence of the WW.
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The white walkers were not really a threat at the start of the books. The night watch is much more concerned about mance and his army of wildlings. They are poorly staff points on the wall. But mance and the wildlings know of the white walkers and that is why they are building an army and heading south.

Remember that the opening scene of the show was basically nobody believing that first dude that saw a white walker. Ned cut off his head for deserting the NW.

Magic returns to the world.... The dragons (3 eggs hatching) and white walkers.
 
zeke said:
I'll say it again - the books were never about coming to some classic triumphant fantasy conclusion. they were all about the Game. Having some kind of clean ending which tied up all the loose ends into some perfectly prophesied ruler was never possible, and why GRR was never interested in finishing the books, and why the forced ending of the show was so bad.

what made the books (and for the most part the show) so great is that every time it seemed like someone was winning, you knew they were about to lose.
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I'm not really arguing the fantasy stuff just that the white walkers are important. They did not even have to be magical. The show / books relies much more on prophecy than classic fantasy elements.

The books do have more fantasy stuff than the show though. Magic keeps the wall up, more of the direwolf stuff, that fancy horn that can bring down the wall, ladystone heart, etc.

And yes grr just rips off history stories he likes. But he also rips off LOTR. The blend is what makes it for me.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
The white walkers thing was awesome as a looming crisis that would impact the world but was ignored by almost everyone until it was too late. Some of the best most memorable scenes still revolve around them. Jon seeing them for the first time and sailing away while zombies were born, them trying to kidnap one, the dragon being grounded and turned, etc. And the mystery of the Night King - who is he, how is he connected, what does he want - was an incredible plot point.

The problem was NK ends up being nobody, with no desire other than mindless domination, with no connection to anyone, who gets killed by someone with zero reason to be the hero. That’s why the WW stuff ended up being stupid in the end, because there was no meaning behind them or their leader.
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I never watched GOT but my ex-gf's best friend since 1st grade is the dude who played the White Walker in GOT. he's from Montreal but he's been living in the UK for years doing theater, TV and puppetry (he was a puppeteer on a show called "Puppets Behaving Badly" and was some alien creature or other on an episode of Doctor Who) I know he's showed up to some Comicons in Canada occasionally but his face isn't recognizable because most of his roles involve hours of time in make-up chairs as he is transformed into whatever beast he's playing. He's very tall (about 6'5" which is why he gets cast for these things, I suppose)
 
That movie "TAR" looks freaking amazing. Even though Todd Field has only now made 3 films as a director and it's been 16 years since his last, he's fantastic. Blanchett has her 3rd Oscar looks like.
 
JackBurton said:
That movie "TAR" looks freaking amazing. Even though Todd Field has only now made 3 films as a director and it's been 16 years since his last, he's fantastic. Blanchett has her 3rd Oscar looks like.
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dude… you read my mind. Planning on seeing that flic next weekend. Won’t watch the trailer (I never do) but heard enough good things about it to check it out
 
CH1 said:
dude… you read my mind. Planning on seeing that flic next weekend. Won’t watch the trailer (I never do) but heard enough good things about it to check it out
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His first film, In the Bedroom is such a haunting film. One of the best at capturing grief of losing someone. I'll never forget that last scene of Wilkinson looking at his hands in bed realizing what he did didn't help his pain at all. And little children was great.
 
JackBurton said:
His first film, In the Bedroom is such a haunting film. One of the best at capturing grief of losing someone. I'll never forget that last scene of Wilkinson looking at his hands in bed realizing what he did didn't help his pain at all. And little children was great.
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I have to admit I haven’t seen his work, so I Iove the fact that I have something cinematic to catch up on.
 
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