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CH1 said:
a lot of bad movies get made when a big part of the consumer base is duped into seeing everything in the universe because of easter eggs and "very important" intertextual scenes
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Which by the way originated through the marketing strategy of comic books themselves in the 1980s - the holy crossover! You cannot miss those several issues of a 15 part story that appear in shitty titles that you would never otherwise buy! They’d even stick one of the most important stories in one of those issues to add pressure to buy all of them. I remember X-Men and Batman were particularly guilty of this practice back in the day. Even as a kid, I was like nope.
 
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leafman101 said:
They story climaxed and there hasn't really been a vision since. The interconnectivity between all the movies in the MCU is actually what people liked. Same as comics.

Stand alone Thor movies aren't as appealing.
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eh i dunno the interconnectivity may have ruined it. now there's no reason for any superhero to try and save the world by himself.

this new show they have Nick Fury refusing to ask any superheros for help against superpowered aliens....for reasons. makes no sense and never will.


the first Avengers was cool because it's always fun seeing them put the band together but then by the end you just have every superhero ever there and that's just not very interesting imo.
 
zeke said:
eh i dunno the interconnectivity may have ruined it. now there's no reason for any superhero to try and save the world by himself.

this new show they have Nick Fury refusing to ask any superheros for help against superpowered aliens....for reasons. makes no sense and never will.


the first Avengers was cool because it's always fun seeing them put the band together but then by the end you just have every superhero ever there and that's just not very interesting imo.
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The reason is that the budget of the mission would balloon if they had to call on a superhero to save them, but they can’t break the fourth wall to explain that.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Which by the way originated through the marketing strategy of comic books themselves in the 1980s - the holy crossover! You cannot miss those several issues of a 15 part story that appear in shitty titles that you would never otherwise buy! They’d even stick one of the most important stories in one of those issues to add pressure to buy all of them. I remember X-Men and Batman were particularly guilty of this practice back in the day. Even as a kid, I was like nope.
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Don't forget the big "Marvel value stamps in various 70s titles" that might be responsible for the HUGE devaluation on a number of copies (as people cut them out - destroying the value of the comic). Tip on those buying such a comic during this time period - make sure the Marvel value stamp hasn't been cut out first.
 
Opp was really good.
Makes me want to revisit cold war movies.
Not sure I needed to see it in imax though.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Which by the way originated through the marketing strategy of comic books themselves in the 1980s - the holy crossover! You cannot miss those several issues of a 15 part story that appear in shitty titles that you would never otherwise buy! They’d even stick one of the most important stories in one of those issues to add pressure to buy all of them. I remember X-Men and Batman were particularly guilty of this practice back in the day. Even as a kid, I was like nope.
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zeke said:
eh i dunno the interconnectivity may have ruined it. now there's no reason for any superhero to try and save the world by himself.

this new show they have Nick Fury refusing to ask any superheros for help against superpowered aliens....for reasons. makes no sense and never will.


the first Avengers was cool because it's always fun seeing them put the band together but then by the end you just have every superhero ever there and that's just not very interesting imo.
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yeah...getting the band together should have been a novelty. instead, every movie turned into an episodes of Friends with superpowers.

so fucking lame/predictable
 
MindzEye said:
Yep, follow the same frame work but with Xavier as the Nick Fury character weaving his way through the gang pulling them all together. Start with a Wolverine movie and The Sentinels are the big baddie tying it all together.
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It’s too bad they kind of missed their window to bring Patrick Stewart’s Xavier into the MCU.

He’s perfect in the role, but the man’s really starting to show his age in the most recent things I’ve seen him in, so you definitely couldn’t launch a whole new phase with him playing an integral role at this point.
 
MindzEye said:
Yep, follow the same frame work but with Xavier as the Nick Fury character weaving his way through the gang pulling them all together. Start with a Wolverine movie and The Sentinels are the big baddie tying it all together.
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So much fatigue from this stuff and I never even brought myself to watch the offshoot movies and tv series. I’m good if they just stop for 5 years or so.

Also they’ve literally used just about every big name actor already, so now they can’t be reused in other roles, and there isn’t really a new guard to replace them (the much talked about death of the classic movie star in Hollywood). So is Pitt or Cruise going to headline a reboot of characters, or are they going to need to cast a bunch of unknown tv actors in big budget tentpoles?

They should pause for a few years, develop new takes on things, heck maybe an original story that they don’t pull straight out of the comics (and do worse than the comics), maybe bring some more adult realism to things (enough with the space alien invasions necessitating earth hero team ups). Like again, how about an adult SpiderMAN with an adult story where he’s not a Stark stooge? No more super teams, more Nolan Batman type individual stories with real characters and situations (except for Bruce flying away that bomb in the end).
 
I mean, where they're at with the Avengers it's best to just back off the property for a solid bit of time. None of the characters are compelling or feel like they've earned anything.

Captain Marvel was/is mediocre and has been made OP with no flaws and little to nothing interesting about the character, Shuri as black panther is meh, Shang Chi is meh, She Hulk is meh, I dig Falcon but he's a supporting guy imo and not a tent pole guy, the Scott Lang ant man is fine but just fine. Not sure that nearly 60 yr old Don Cheadle is a guy to hang 10 years of carrying future movies on, though he's solid as Rhodey...but again, another supporting guy.

Take a step back, focus on Xmen being a thing (also allows marvel developers to treat the MCU as if it's not quite there all the time....there's no reason for the Avengers to save the day regarding Mutant threats they have no way of knowing about...allows you to tell stories within the same world without dragging the same characters out again). Cast well (like they did for phase 1-2), tell good stories again, slow build to your big baddie Sentinels...try to forget that the Eternals ever happened.
 
LeafGm said:
It’s too bad they kind of missed their window to bring Patrick Stewart’s Xavier into the MCU.

He’s perfect in the role, but the man’s really starting to show his age in the most recent things I’ve seen him in, so you definitely couldn’t launch a whole new phase with him playing an integral role at this point.
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Yeah, missed opportunity because of stupid rights holder shit that none of us care about.

But there's a good opportunity now to recast the entire thing and start over fresh....all of the actors from the FoX-men are up there in age now.
 
MindzEye said:
I mean, where they're at with the Avengers it's best to just back off the property for a solid bit of time. None of the characters are compelling or feel like they've earned anything.

Captain Marvel was/is mediocre and has been made OP with no flaws and little to nothing interesting about the character, Shuri as black panther is meh, Shang Chi is meh, She Hulk is meh, I dig Falcon but he's a supporting guy imo and not a tent pole guy, the Scott Lang ant man is fine but just fine. Not sure that nearly 60 yr old Don Cheadle is a guy to hang 10 years of carrying future movies on, though he's solid as Rhodey...but again, another supporting guy.

Take a step back, focus on Xmen being a thing (also allows marvel developers to treat the MCU as if it's not quite there all the time....there's no reason for the Avengers to save the day regarding Mutant threats they have no way of knowing about...allows you to tell stories within the same world without dragging the same characters out again). Cast well (like they did for phase 1-2), tell good stories again, slow build to your big baddie Sentinels...try to forget that the Eternals ever happened.
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Falcon is meh enough where in his series he needed a side arc about not being able to qualify for a bank loan.
 
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