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Cheadle is a fantastic actor, but he’s never felt like the same kind of fit for the character that Howard was. Too bad Howard’s a nut.

And I don’t think Mackie is the problem, really. It’s just that in a fictional universe that includes gods, superhumans & Iron Man suits, some regular dude flying around with a set of flappy metal wings given to him by the US military is about as lame-ass a superhero as you can get.
 
oscarheyman said:
I used to have this comic:

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that was given to me by my uncle. Wasn't in the greatest of condition (pretty worn). Damn, wish I was a Marvel fan back then as I might've been able to "obtain" more of those silver age comics. Anyhow, is "Zemo" the same "character' or relation?
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the MCU version is retconned into being Sokovian (made up country that got smeshed in Avengers 2) with a different backstory than the comic book Zemo.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
In defense of Cheadle, War Machine sucks also
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MCU war machine has been kind of useless. He's basically been relegated to a discount Iron Man whose biggest moment in the timeline so far is crashing and almost dying.

In the comics, the War Machine armor is a response by Stark to a threat he couldn't beat with his high tech stuff so he said fuck it and made a set of armor without the bells and whistles that is supremely good at blowing shit up and tanking damage. In the MCU it's a throw away suit out of like 100 Tony made but this one has a gattling gun on the shoulder....so it's badass.
 
LeafGm said:
Cheadle is a fantastic actor, but he’s never felt like the same kind of fit for the character that Howard was. Too bad Howard’s a nut.

And I don’t think Mackie is the problem, really. It’s just that in a fictional universe that includes gods, superhumans & Iron Man suits, some regular dude flying around with a set of flappy metal wings given to him by the US military is about as lame-ass a superhero as you can get.
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Falcon was always a totally shit character in the comics too, so he didn't have much of a chance in that role.
 
MindzEye said:
the MCU version is retconned into being Sokovian (made up country that got smeshed in Avengers 2) with a different backstory than the comic book Zemo.
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I don't think the Zemo pictured there, Nazi and all, is the same Zemo in the Cap series.

I believe the Baron Zemo we know in the comics with the purple mask is the son of the original Baron Zemo who had the mask glued to his face in battle with Cap where acid spilled on him or some shit (very early on in the series). Then the son took on the name and costume of the father and seeks revenge on Cap, and...gets his mask glued onto his face in battle with Cap. Family tradition, apparently.

I don't remember who they said the movies Zemo was exactly, but probably the father or the son of the comics.
 
MindzEye said:
MCU war machine has been kind of useless. He's basically been relegated to a discount Iron Man whose biggest moment in the timeline so far is crashing and almost dying.

In the comics, the War Machine armor is a response by Stark to a threat he couldn't beat with his high tech stuff so he said fuck it and made a set of armor without the bells and whistles that is supremely good at blowing shit up and tanking damage. In the MCU it's a throw away suit out of like 100 Tony made but this one has a gattling gun on the shoulder....so it's badass.
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I never could bring myself to like Iron Man in the comics. Elements of a good character, but nothing compelling whatsoever.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I never could bring myself to like Iron Man in the comics. Elements of a good character, but nothing compelling whatsoever.
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I always dug that he was the guy who had literally everything but was deeply, deeply flawed emotionally. Actually one of the few things I don't think they did justice in the MCU version, but I get that with RDJ's own personal demons that might have been cutting a bit too deep for him.
 
MindzEye said:
I always dug that he was the guy who had literally everything but was deeply, deeply flawed emotionally. Actually one of the few things I don't think they did justice in the MCU version, but I get that with RDJ's own personal demons that might have been cutting a bit too deep for him.
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I don't think Downey cared. The story is he went all out to get that part, begged and pleaded, so if anything, the backstory of the character may have even resonated with him. Marvel didn't want to pin their hopes on him, but Favreau dug in for him.

But I dunno, from the design and colors of the character (looked like a can of soup turned into a robot), and the lame rogue's gallery of villains (the Mandarin and...who else?), it was always such a poop character/world as compared to Spidey, Cap, X-Men and their respective villains. Even in the Avengers series, Iron Man was a dud, with guys like Hawkeye, Pym, and others getting much better stories in that title over the years.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I don't think Downey cared. The story is he went all out to get that part, begged and pleaded, so if anything, the backstory of the character may have even resonated with him.
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Maybe, but they went the PTSD route rather than the "degenerate alcoholic crippled by depression" route that they took in the comics. Kind of a big difference.

LeafOfFaith said:
But I dunno, from the design and colors of the character (looked like a can of soup turned into a robot), and the lame rogue's gallery of villains (the Mandarin and...who else?), it was always such a poop character/world as compared to Spidey, Cap, X-Men and their respective villains. Even in the Avengers series, Iron Man was a dud, with guys like Hawkeye, Pym, and others getting much better stories in that title over the years.
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Old old Iron Man, sure. Iron Wars was solid though (was my intro to Iron Man really when I was a kid), but from the early 2000's on, it was a great character with good villains a few anti hero and heel turns, etc.
 
MindzEye said:
Maybe, but they went the PTSD route rather than the "degenerate alcoholic crippled by depression" route that they took in the comics. Kind of a big difference.



Old old Iron Man, sure. Iron Wars was solid though (was my intro to Iron Man really when I was a kid), but from the early 2000's on, it was a great character with good villains a few anti hero and heel turns, etc.
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I definitely never took a peek at another issue of Iron Man since the 90's. I think I bought a handful of them during the Acts of Vengeance storyline, where the fuckers got me to buy outside my series on a CROSSOVER. That one was actually pretty good though, I must say. So I don't know what the title has been like since the turn of the century, but I've literally never seen any use of the Iron Man character when he pops up in other books that made me feel like anything changed.

Any changes Marvel made over the years have actually been for the worse in all the titles I would check out. Spiderman is a putrid character now and the stories garbage. Cap has been the most boring read any time I try it since the superb Brubaker era ended (where he brought in the Winter Soldier). X-Men has been mostly junk, with the exception of the House of X storyline which was actually really cool a couple years back (turns out Moira has a mutant power - her death resets the timeline - and so she and Xavier have been trying to change shit over the years, and then later Sinister clones her and uses her clones to create save points in his schemes). But the X titles are all over the place, super boring junk with no clear direction and too many generic characters just cramming things up.
 
The Nolan Trilogy is fantastic but overrated imo by people who are willing to suspend disbelief that a billionaire ninja can do superhuman feats like getting yanked out of a building by a fucking plane without his spine falling out, but can't believe in shit like super soldier serums or gods of mythology being real.
 
MindzEye said:
The Nolan Trilogy is fantastic but overrated imo by people who are willing to suspend disbelief that a billionaire ninja can do superhuman feats like getting yanked out of a building by a fucking plane without his spine falling out, but can't believe in shit like super soldier serums or gods of mythology being real.
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Eh, all TDK triligy had pretty realistic scenes compared to other superhero films.
 
JackBurton said:
Eh, all TDK triligy had pretty realistic scenes compared to other superhero films.
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I mean, part of the buy in with Batman is that you have to believe his batsuit protects him from all kinds of stuff, including bullets, fire, and spine yanking via airborne aircraft and freefall onto a car from the top floor of a skyscraper (but not spine fracture via incomprehensible brute - design flaw). In that light, everything that I can remember was pretty realistic.
 
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