LeafOfFaith
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Typical.
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LeafGm
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After watching the entire new season of "X-Men '97", which was fantastic, I've gone back and started re-watching the original run of the series, which I haven't seen since I was a kid. And it's kind of wild how hard this show goes for a kid's show, and how timely it feels.
One of the subplots running through the whole show is an organization of racist fascists trying to seize power and their jack-booted fascist street thugs running around inciting violence and then manipulating the media coverage to make themselves seem like the victims. And there's even an episode where the leaders of Russia start an invasion out of a desire put all ex-Soviet territory back under Moscow's rule.
One of the subplots running through the whole show is an organization of racist fascists trying to seize power and their jack-booted fascist street thugs running around inciting violence and then manipulating the media coverage to make themselves seem like the victims. And there's even an episode where the leaders of Russia start an invasion out of a desire put all ex-Soviet territory back under Moscow's rule.
MyNameIsJonas
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In what sense?
MyNameIsJonas
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How much knowledge of X-Men does one need to get into X-Men 97?
LeafOfFaith
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I was never really in love with the original series, and I didn't think '97 was all that good. I'm surprised it's getting such fanfare.
I find the animation dated and boring, rather than nostalgic and appealing. Some of the carryover voices are just atrocious - the girl who does Rogue is so awful in particular. And just overall, pretty meh except for a few highlights.
I do like how they ended the first season though, even though it's set up now to just borrow mostly from ancient stories told in the comics.
I give it a B- overall or maybe a C+, I think.
LeafOfFaith
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Might even be more enjoyable with zero knowledge since quite a bit of it is recycled comic book stories.
That part is the biggest letdown for me. No original stuff after 30 years? Still have to resort to the source material?
Baby cartoon shit move, Marvel.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
These guys long ago stopped catering to people who know the source material.
LeafOfFaith
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LeafGm
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If you don't have any knowledge whatsoever, you may not want to jump right into the new season of X-Men '97. But if you start from the beginning of the original show, it's very much presented as an introduction to all of these characters & the world they inhabit.
And personally, I didn't read Marvel comics at all as a kid. So this X-Men show, and the subsequent live action movies with Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart et al is my only experience with these characters.
MyNameIsJonas
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I have much less than that.
Montana
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Also makes it kinda fucked up (imo) that Jerry and Larry gave those three zero points when it came to syndication or the future licensing of the series.
They got their salaries per episode for the series, and whatever SAG says they deserve when it’s rerun on television……but when Larry & Jerry sold the series to channels for syndication, or licensed it to Netflix for $500m over 5 years. Those three made zilch off it.
I get feeling like you have ownership of it because you guys created it, and wrote so much of it…..but those three augmented those scripts to levels they’d have never have reached without them. So to give them NO points whatsoever, is pretty sickening imo.
It’s also the real reason the show ended when it did….because those three knew they were basically just making others more and more money long term, while only being paid like session musicians for the band.
Love Jerry and Larry……but that’s always rubbed me wrong, and shows a real lack of character imo. (Mind you, it’s exactly what one would expect from Jerry & George in the series….soo)
MyNameIsJonas
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Did any of those 3 have EP credits to their name, i would assume all yes.
leafman101
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The problem is if Jerry and Larry were the generous type then Seinfeld and Curb wouldn't be Seinfeld and Curb.
LeafOfFaith
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Golden handcuffs. They were each making $1m per episode and didn’t want the gravy train to end despite not being tied to the profits.
I never heard anything about them not wanting to continue. Seinfeld has always been vocal about having wanted to “go out on top” while still getting high ratings. I think he said recently that they had offered him $50m to continue and he still refused.
And clearly the supporting cast still gets along with him, having worked with him and Larry on other things like Curb and Coffee.
But all that to the side, fuck Seinfeld. Arrogant asshole.
I never heard anything about them not wanting to continue. Seinfeld has always been vocal about having wanted to “go out on top” while still getting high ratings. I think he said recently that they had offered him $50m to continue and he still refused.
And clearly the supporting cast still gets along with him, having worked with him and Larry on other things like Curb and Coffee.
But all that to the side, fuck Seinfeld. Arrogant asshole.
Montana
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Except Jerry went to them before the beginning of what became the final season and said “nah, we’re good finishing it here.”
They also had to negotiate hard to get those final big pay checks because they wouldn’t make anything on the back end.
Jason Alexander has subtly discussed it in interviews, long after the fact but in the moment nobody really knew/discussed that portion of it in public.
They never discussed it publicly for years, so it did allow Jerry to control the narrative of “why” they were ending it. That’s just good marketing tho.
….and yeah Jerry turned down that money to continue, cause he had the benefit of knowing the golden goose he was holding when it came to syndication, dvds & streaming rights etc…
They had some rough negotiations behind the scenes over it, but for the most part all remained friendly.
When it came to do DVD extras tho, they put their foot down and demanded to be paid a fairly nice chunk to take part…..cause they weren’t going to get any proceeds from their sales, so they refused to do the DVD extras without getting paid an over the top amount to do them.
I’ve never seen Julia or Richard’s discuss it, but she doesn’t need money, and Richard’s doesn’t do interviews……Alexander has discussed it here and there, but also says those three often went into negotiations as a troika, because they had no points on the back end, etc.
Montana
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Similarly bizarre, is Quentin Tarantino who talks all the time about how his mom would take him to grindhouse movies & blacksploitation flicks etc….has never given his mother a penny of the money he’s made over the years, because one time she gave him shit about writing all the time, and not focusing on his schoolwork or something….and said it’s not going to lead anywhere, or words to that effect.
Have to be a bit touched in the head to hold that kind of a one off comment over your mother for eternity, when (a) she was seemingly such a good single mother, (b) played such a huge role in his having the passion for film that he does, and the wise birth of genres he was exposed to at a young age.
…..but like you said about Jerry & Larry, it’s probably that level of fucked up weirdness that makes Tarantino, Tarantino.
oscarheyman
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I think Quentin did pay off her mom's debt to the IRS once so he's kind of lying about never giving her mom a penny. I mean technically his mom didn't get the money but still....
JackBurton
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I'm on a Dario Argento movie run. What fun films he made.
JackBurton
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Kind of weird given it was his dad that abandoned him.
GGpX
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I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I was him...
...but at the same time, Tarantino is exactly how I want my artists to be. A little (a lot) fucked up, on the spectrum, creating incredible content.