OT: The Because Science Thread (Now With Aliens!)
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hockeylover
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Get outta here with your jabs.
MindzEye
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Yep, I will remain pureblooded thank you very much.
lecoqsportif
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And then there’s all that potential.
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axlsalinger
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I've heard a couple of interviews with Garry Nolan and he always comes across as credible, but obviously we need to see the evidence. Still a really interesting discussion about analyzing data and bipartisan interest in Washington.
Definitely watch if you're interested in this topic.
Definitely watch if you're interested in this topic.
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axlsalinger
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wondering if anyone watched this. ignore the clickbaity title, it's an interesting discussion imo.
Montana
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I listened to it, but I’ll be upfront and say I have next to 0.00001% belief that we’ve ever been visited, and I think the entire UFO/UAP thing will be largely proven to be nothing of extraordinary significance….and that for the most part it’s current popularity is in large part to Rogan promoting it non-stop, particularly that huckster Jeremy Corbell.
The other thing I’d be up front about, is I’m extremely skeptical of experts in one field pontificating as experts on another vastly different field. So an immunologist (even one from Stanford), being an expert on UFO’s/Aliens on earth.
It looks like he got into this back in 2012 when they had him do analysis on a suspected alien corpse, that turned our to be a mummified still birth with genetic bone defects….and now a decade later he’s still doing the UFO circuit pimping stories like this (that so conveniently just stop short of telling us anything substantial or insightful about what they’ve seen.….but one time he was SO close to seeing one, but then those men in black pulled some “bureaucratic tricks” to stop him. shucks!)
He also did some work on that whole Havana Syndrome thing, and I believe tried to imply that was UFO/Alien related as well.
So he sounds smart and everything, and clearly is given his expertise….but I think that just makes his belief in bullshit sound more realistic…but there’s just never any there, there.
I‘ll always listen to these peoples stories, cause I find it pretty entertaining….but haven’t seen or heard anything yet, to make me think it’s not all fiction, and wishful thinking. They just always extrapolate too much from too little, imo.
Glad you posted it tho, fun watch.
The other thing I’d be up front about, is I’m extremely skeptical of experts in one field pontificating as experts on another vastly different field. So an immunologist (even one from Stanford), being an expert on UFO’s/Aliens on earth.
It looks like he got into this back in 2012 when they had him do analysis on a suspected alien corpse, that turned our to be a mummified still birth with genetic bone defects….and now a decade later he’s still doing the UFO circuit pimping stories like this (that so conveniently just stop short of telling us anything substantial or insightful about what they’ve seen.….but one time he was SO close to seeing one, but then those men in black pulled some “bureaucratic tricks” to stop him. shucks!)
He also did some work on that whole Havana Syndrome thing, and I believe tried to imply that was UFO/Alien related as well.
So he sounds smart and everything, and clearly is given his expertise….but I think that just makes his belief in bullshit sound more realistic…but there’s just never any there, there.
I‘ll always listen to these peoples stories, cause I find it pretty entertaining….but haven’t seen or heard anything yet, to make me think it’s not all fiction, and wishful thinking. They just always extrapolate too much from too little, imo.
Glad you posted it tho, fun watch.
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axlsalinger
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Good stuff. I agree it's extremely difficult to believe. I would probably adjust your # upward to more like 1%, but it still seems pretty unlikely.
It's a weird dichotomy to analyze considering the probability of life existing somewhere out there probably exceeds 99%, whereas the probability of them having visited us is probably less than 1%. The examples of tic tac's sighted by a bunch of Air Force guys like David Fravor is intriguing, I thought it may have been some kind of artifact on their instruments but the government has basically acknowledged fast moving objects have been sighted multiple times that they can't explain. Maybe it's simply experimental drones that move extremely fast like the one below, that they don't want to talk about. Though if the speed and distance #'s cited are correct, I doubt anyone has that level of technology.
Corbell does look like a huckster, which probably means Bob Lazar is too. Nolan seems legit though, it's really interesting to hear about these classified briefings and assuming he's telling the truth about being in the room helping to write that legislation, that would appear to be the "there" that you referred to as not being there. I don't know anything about his connection to Havana Syndrome so I will look into that. No idea what's going on there other than it seems like something the Russians came up with to me.
I really want to know what Nolan has seen or heard that made him say 100% and not 99%. That is compelling considering his experiences and connections. It's so easy to just dismiss it all as fiction and it probably is, but we could just as easily see some evidence come out tomorrow.
Ultimately, probably bullshit until we see some actual evidence. You can understand why they'd want to keep it classified, though.
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yeah, I’m with you on 99%+ confidence on their being other life in the universe, although I could only go as high as 1% having ‘visited’ if we were talking the entire lifespan of the earth, and bacteria on an asteroid hitting the planet, counts.
Yeah i suspect it’s a combination of drones, poorly calibrated instruments, human error, or some other perfectly valid explanation that doesn’t immediately come to mind for those viewing them. He’s far from the be all end all, but Mick West does a pretty good job debunking most of these videos, or more importantly bringing forth very logical possible explanations, that the Fravor, Corbell, Ryan Graves, Elizondo often shy away from bringing up…(which again, instantly makes me think you’re full of shit if you’re not confident enough in your claims, to put forth plausible explanations outside of “aliens”)
Which is often my issue with most of these people, that sets off my alarm bells…they might say “I’m not saying it’s a UFO”….but then the remainder of their talk is 100% in line with pushing the narrative that it is. Whereas I think a serious person would do enormous leg work to find other explanations, bring them forth as equally plausible possibilities, etc….while accepting it could also be…but extremely low probability….something extraterrestrial (in the literal sense).
They just don’t speak with the kind of serious scientific rigor I would need to hear from someone making these wild claims. And any serious information that is put forward is usually pretty bland/vague and requires grand extrapolation from to get to alien craft.
…again tho, I like turning my mind off a bit and taking it all in as a form of Gonzo-journo-tainment.
The Bob Lazar stuff is John Titor level fun….but it’s pretty clearly nonsense imo. (Despite Rogans best efforts to legitimize it, lol). The big claim to legitimacy being that he discussed using ‘Element 115’ that hadn’t even been discovered/synthesized/named on Earth yet, as part of a anti-gravity propulsion system, and then sometime in the aughts, Element 115 was synthesized and the UFOlogists went nuts that it proved Bob was telling the truth.
Only problem is, just like Dimitri Mendeleev predicting elements that would be discovered and fill in missing slots on his periodic table….so Bob just predicted that one day we’d create an element with a 115 proton nuclei…but that it wouldn’t be very stable (no shit). A nerd like him I’m sure he was pretty up to speed about developments in particle accelerators, particularly all the talk in the 80’s about building the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas, or something similar in science magazines etc, but that a very small % of people knew much about when hearing his stories.
…my absolute favourite Bob Lazar thing tho, is him getting bad migraines on The Joe Rogan Experience, the second Rogan started asking tough questions and trying to pin him down on anything concrete,
. It was truly majestic.ps - I once found a down alien spaceship, went inside…and it had a toaster that ran on Element 120. Stupid earthlings havent even discovered that element yet…and when they do, it won’t even be stable and will decay quickly. This alien version of Element 120 tho? Super stable, made just for the toasters. Anyway, once I left the ship it all went invisible before I could get my phone to take a picture.
My issue with these guys who aren’t allowed to say “the big thing”….but they told you it’s okay to go on podcasts, do speaking tours, television hits etc…talking all around it, implying it, saying you’re 100% sure we’ve been visited by aliens, have alien crafts, etc etc…..but just don’t say this other specific thing, please.
yeah Im not well versed on it, but it all sounded pretty vague the last I read about…
To me this is just another tell….he later clarified on Twitter it’s just his opinion, but his opinion is that of 100% confidence. To me it’s just now how a serious thinker speaks about something profoundly unlikely, without having poured over troves of evidence, data, testing, etc…and so much of what he says, seems to be second hand knowledge of others just talking about it.
I think the Trump era should be a great example to everyone that there are absolute nutters in all walks of life, and at all levels of professional success….so just because Harry Reid was a longtime Senator, or Jimmy Carter was President, or David Fravor a respected Air Force pilot, or Dr. Garry Nolan is a tenured head of Medicine at Stanford….it doesn’t preclude them from being absolute kooks, who are easily convinced to believe bullshit they are dying to believe is true in the first place. (imo)
If this is real and not doctored/cgi/ai generated/etc….this drops any probabilities of the tic-tac et all videos being anything other than something man made/explainable down to nearly zero.
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yeah, I’m with you on 99%+ confidence on their being other life in the universe, although I could only go as high as 1% having ‘visited’ if we were talking the entire lifespan of the earth, and bacteria on an asteroid hitting the planet, counting.
Yeah i suspect it’s a combination of drones, poorly calibrated instruments, human error, or some other perfectly valid explanation that doesn’t immediately come to mind for those viewing them. He’s far from the be all end all, but Mick West does a pretty good job debunking most of these videos, or more importantly bringing forth very logical possible explanations, that the Fravor, Corbell, Ryan Graves, Elizondo often shy away from bringing up…
Which is often my issue with most of these people, that sets off my alarm bells…they might say “I’m not saying it’s a UFO”….but then the remainder of their talk is 100% in line with pushing the narrative that it is. Whereas I think a real serious person would do enormous leg work to find other explanations, bring them forth as equally plausible possibilities, etc….while accepting it could also be…but extremely low probability….something extraterrestrial (in the literal sense).
They just don’t speak with the kind of serious scientific rigor I would need to hear from someone making these wild claims. And any serious information that is put forward is usually pretty bland/vague and requires grand extrapolation from to get to alien craft.
…again tho, I like turning my mind off a bit and taking it all in as a form of Gonzo-journ-tainment.
The Bob Lazar stuff is John Titor level fun….but it’s pretty clearly nonsense. (Despite Rogans best efforts to legitimize it, lol). The big claim to legitimacy being that he discussed using ‘Element 115’ that hadn’t even been discovered/synthesized/named on Earth yet, as part of a anti-gravity propulsion system, and then sometime in the aughts, Element 115 was synthesized and the UFOlogists went nuts that it proved Bob was telling the truth.
Only problem is, just like Dimitri Mendeleev predicting elements that would be discovered and fill in missing slots on his periodic table….so Bob just predicted that one day we’d create an element with a 115 proton nuclei…but that it wouldn’t be very stable (no shit). A nerd like him I’m sure he was pretty up to speed about developments in particle accelerators, particularly all the talk in the 80’s about building the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas, or something similar in science magazines etc, but that a very small % of people knew much about when hearing his stories.
…my absolute favourite Bob Lazar thing tho, is him getting bad migraines on The Joe Rogan Experience, the second Rogan started asking tough questions and trying to pin him down on anything concrete,
ps - I once found a down alien spaceship, went inside…and it had a toaster that ran on Element 120. Stupid earthlings havent even discovered that element yet…and when they do, it won’t even be stable and will decay quickly. This alien version of Element 120 tho? Super stable, made just for the toasters. Anyway, once I left the ship it all went invisible before I could get my phone to take a picture.
My issue with these guys who aren’t allowed to say “the big thing”….but they told you it’s okay to go on podcasts, do speaking tours, television hits etc…talking all around it, implying it, saying you’re 100% sure we’ve been visited by aliens, have alien crafts, etc etc…..but just don’t say this other specific thing, please.
yeah Im not well versed on it, but it all sounded pretty vague the last I read about…
To me this is just another tell….he later clarified on Twitter it’s just his opinion, but his opinion is that of 100% confidence. To me it’s just now how a serious thinker speaks about something profoundly unlikely, without having poured over troves of evidence, data, testing, etc…and so much of what he says, seems to be second hand knowledge of others just talking about it.
I think the Trump era should be a great example to everyone that there are absolute nutters in all walks of life, and at all levels of professional success….and so just because Harry Reid is a politician, or Jimmy Carter was President, or David Fravor was a respected Air Force pilot, or Dr, Garry Nolan is a tenured head of Medicine at Stanford….it doesn’t preclude them from being absolute kooks, who are easily convinced to believe bullshit they are dying to believe is true in the first place. (imo)
If this is real and not doctored/cgi/ai generated/etc….this drops any probabilities of the tic-tax videos being anything at all, even further.
axlsalinger
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The best part of Lazar is the hand scanner that he mentioned back in the day, Rogan loves to talk about how we have since learned these things did actually exist, which is a point in Lazar's favour ... except that one was actually used in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind lol.
My issue with these guys who aren’t allowed to say “the big thing”….but they told you it’s okay to go on podcasts, do speaking tours, television hits etc…talking all around it, implying it, saying you’re 100% sure we’ve been visited by aliens, have alien crafts, etc etc…..but just don’t say this other specific thing, please.
This is a fair point and I always keep it in mind when I hear these folks speak, but it must also be acknowledged that they cannot publicly talk about classified information for obvious reasons. Also if any of this is true most people may have accessed 1 or 2 pieces of classified info but very very few people would have access to enough to see any sort of big picture, it's probably quite difficult for even senators to gain access.
It's true. Reid was fascinated by this stuff and it would be cool to hear what he learned over the years. The Trump Admin was definitely full of kooks, as is the anti-vaxx space, but it's not fair to call everyone a "kook" just because you don't believe them, especially without having access to people and info that they do. I think Fravor did see something that he can't explain, and there were others on that mission who also did, we can't just dismiss everyone as a nutter.
This recent trend to move away from conspiracy theorists talking about ufo's and "little green men" to more serious people thoroughly investigating UAP's with a scientific mindset is a positive development. Ultimately we will need to see actual data before we can believe much of anything. But as you said, it's still a really fun topic to think about and discuss.
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axlsalinger
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If you think about what Nolan said here, it's actually quite provocative. .. Ostensibly there is a top-secret government agency reverse-engineering a crashed craft.
And an org he's involved with helped a bipartisan group of American Members of Congress write into law a provision which allows "whistleblowers" to break their oath of secrecy to speak to them in a classified setting.
It's more likely people are seeing experimental U.S. drones and aircraft, or reverse engineering Chinese weather balloons. Even if alien drones are out there, American crafts are likely what people see 98% of the time. Still, it would be fucking amazing to be present at one of these classified briefings, though!
And an org he's involved with helped a bipartisan group of American Members of Congress write into law a provision which allows "whistleblowers" to break their oath of secrecy to speak to them in a classified setting.
It's more likely people are seeing experimental U.S. drones and aircraft, or reverse engineering Chinese weather balloons. Even if alien drones are out there, American crafts are likely what people see 98% of the time. Still, it would be fucking amazing to be present at one of these classified briefings, though!
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I never knew this, that’s a amazing.
Easy to understand why so many would buy into the Element 115, or hand scanner thing back in the day tho.….and for anybody with a want to believe? it would have made it a stone cold fact, I imagine.
If it was real, i just don’t think they’re letting anyone near any classified information unless they’re thoroughly vetted, sign NDA’s, get warned by the CIA that people who talk, go missing, etc etc…
…and if Nolan is to be believed, he was
close to getting to see the really juicy documents….and he’s had a thirst to find proof since he was a kid….buuuut just decided to throw away any chance of ever seeing it now by blabbing about everything he does know, and drawing attention to it all.i ain’t buying it…..I’m sure he’s been brought in for something having to do with his field of expertise, but I’d wager anything he’s drawing huge conclusions based on very little evidence, that is ultimately something else.
For example….if he had seen the tic-tac video before it was publicly released, he’d be saying he saw 100% proof alien UFO’s exist…he “saw the video with his own two eyes!”…and “itmoved in a way physics simply doesn’t allow!!!”
Richard Nixon couldn’t even get Richard Helms to give him copies of their JFK assassination files. haha..
I meant that we saw all kinds who were Trump supporters, that we’d have otherwise thought were very smart people…..and that for me is analogous, or a good reminder that just because someone is military/professor/doctor….it doesn’t preclude them from believing really dumb shit (anti-vax, aliens, in Trump as a person, etc)
agreed….just don’t think them seeing something and believing it’s X…means it wasn’t actually an explainable, non extraterrestrial phenomenon.
I this it’s a psyop by the military to get more funding, for drone monitoring/research.
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This + your comment about people being fragmented off into decompartmentalized groups where no one cell of researchers know the big picture….would be a pretty good explanation of how a bunch of people investigating/researching/reverse engineering Chinese, or US tech, but not knowing the full spectrum of the project would have some of them jumping to these conclusions about aliens, ufo’s, etc.
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axlsalinger
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It's funny that until recently, we would have absolutely referred to the most high-tech non-US military equipment out there as Russian... but now it's like nah who else could rival the US.. What about China?!