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OT: The News Thread

worm said:
at this point
what is the difference?
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Not to be a complete cunt (yes, I'm aware at how natural I make it look)...but this is kind of a terrible question with even a cursory glance at historical analogues (Germany, Italy, Spain, etc). There's a whole shitload of difference between democracy teetering on the brink, and full blown authoritarianism. The Republicans either have or nearly have the machinery in place to simply set aside the results of the 2024 election. If you think that dealing with their mewling is bad, wait until he has all the power he lamented about not having during his first run. There's no shortage of Trump quotes of him talking about power that he wished he had. We're a couple of years away from that going down for real.
 
MindzEye said:
Not to be a complete cunt (yes, I'm aware at how natural I make it look)...but this is kind of a terrible question with even a cursory glance at historical analogues (Germany, Italy, Spain, etc). There's a whole shitload of difference between democracy teetering on the brink, and full blown authoritarianism. The Republicans either have or nearly have the machinery in place to simply set aside the results of the 2024 election. If you think that dealing with their mewling is bad, wait until he has all the power he lamented about not having during his first run. There's no shortage of Trump quotes of him talking about power that he wished he had. We're a couple of years away from that going down for real.
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axlsalinger said:
Sorry Neil, but this is bullshit.

Can George Lucas demand that Disney Plus remove the Star Wars movies because he really fucking hated Toy Story 3?
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huh?

you're comparing apples to glow sticks

Young certainly has the right to pull his songs from Spotify. Now it seems he owns 50% of the rights to his songs, so it may or may not be legally possible, but it's really no different than a company deciding that they don't want their products sold at Walmart for example and deciding not to do business with them. Artists get paid next to nothing from Spotify unless they have special deals with them, so there's probably little financial impact to Neil.
 
axlsalinger said:
Sorry Neil, but this is bullshit.

Can George Lucas demand that Disney Plus remove the Star Wars movies because he really fucking hated Toy Story 3?
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Disney owns the rights to Star Wars IP.

Spotify does not own Neil Young's music. I'm assuming that his label owns his masters. His label will almost definitely choose a smooth relationship with Neil over minor continued streaming revenues from Spotify. Similar to the choice Netflix made by pulling the Chappelle Show when comedy central struck a content deal with Netflix that excluded Dave. Because Netflix's relationship with Dave was more important to them than their deal with comedy central.
 
If bands and singers can pull their creations from streaming services on a whim because they don't like one other product on the entire service (and demand that it be removed), the entire concept will collapse. We already pay for way too many streaming services as it is. I'm not a huge Neil Young fan, but hypothetically if I want to listen to his music, should I have to subscribe to a 2nd service just to access it because of this dumbass demand? Should Ted Nugent then pull his music because they host a liberal podcast that promotes vaccines?

Marvel should threaten to pull their movies until George Lucas removes the "Greedo shoots first" scene from Star Wars.
 
axlsalinger said:
If bands and singers can pull their creations from streaming services on a whim because they don't like one other product on the entire service (and demand that it be removed), the entire concept will collapse. We already pay for way too many streaming services as it is. I'm not a huge Neil Young fan, but hypothetically if I want to listen to his music, should I have to subscribe to a 2nd service just to access it because of this dumbass demand? Should Ted Nugent then pull his music because they host a liberal podcast that promotes vaccines?
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Yeah, this isn't about you, dude. Artists have a right to decide what platforms their music are available on. If Neil wants to be principled about this, then that's admirable really. He's always had strong political overtones in his music, so this is pretty on brand for him.

Marvel should threaten to pull their movies until George Lucas removes the "Greedo shoots first" scene from Star Wars.
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As ME said, Disney owns Marvel and Star Wars, it's not remotely the same. Spotify doesn't own Neil Young's music. You are being super dumb right now. Go hit the bong.
 
Deckie007 said:
Yeah, this isn't about you, dude. Artists have a right to decide what platforms their music are available on. If Neil wants to be principled about this, then that's admirable really. He's always had strong political overtones in his music, so this is pretty on brand for him.
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I have always respected Neil, but this idea is really fucking toxic and stupid.
 
axlsalinger said:
If bands and singers can pull their creations from streaming services on a whim because they don't like one other product on the entire service (and demand that it be removed), the entire concept will collapse. We already pay for way too many streaming services as it is. I'm not a huge Neil Young fan, but hypothetically if I want to listen to his music, should I have to subscribe to a 2nd service just to access it because of this dumbass demand? Should Ted Nugent then pull his music because they host a liberal podcast that promotes vaccines?

Marvel should threaten to pull their movies until George Lucas removes the "Greedo shoots first" scene from Star Wars.
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The whole point of owning IP is that you can do whatever you want with it. Pull it on a whim, to save the planet, or anything in between. It's that artist's choice whether or not to provide you with the convenience of accessing their library on your preferred streaming platform.

I actually wish artists and athletes took principled stands like this, at the expense of their own bank accounts, more often. Not less.
 
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MindzEye said:
The whole point of owning IP is that you can do whatever you want with it. Pull it on a whim, to save the planet, or anything in between. It's that artist's choice whether or not to provide you with the convenience of accessing their library on your preferred streaming platform.

I actually artists and athletes took principled stands like this, at the expense of their own bank accounts, more often. Not less.
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*cough Lebron*
 
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