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yes. i submit that they ARE part of "we". they are a part of the western civilization that has emerged over the past 2000 years that shares common values, common traditions, and common legal, moral, political, religious, and economic systems. the spanish and british train attacks were attacks on all of us. 9/11 was an attack on all of us.
 
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exactly.

so how has the invasion of Iraq "stopped" terrorist attacks on "we" then?
 
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theREALkoreaboy said:
and the numbers of them killed has grown- even exploded- and we didn't have another major terrorist act in the following 7.5 years under W.
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theREALkoreaboy said:
yes. i submit that they ARE part of "we". they are a part of the western civilization that has emerged over the past 2000 years that shares common values, common traditions, and common legal, moral, political, religious, and economic systems. the spanish and british train attacks were attacks on all of us. 9/11 was an attack on all of us.
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explain.
 
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i quite frankly don't care what their warped motivation was. what is inescapable is that there is a small minority of muslims who feel that they need to wage violent jihad on the west. they were doing it before 9/11 and they have continued afterwards. they need to be stood up to with complete resolution and they need to be utterly destroyed. everyone who tries jihad needs to be shown that it is a completely bankrupt and hopeless path that will never succeed.
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Or we can separate those who are bastardizing the meaning of Jihad to suit their own purposes, and isolate them from the rest of Islam...because if you think for a second that showing Muslims that jihad is bankrupt and hopeless is even a remote possibility, you simply don't have a ****ing clue how central jihad (struggle against injustice) is to Islam. It's considered the 3rd most important act any Muslim can undertake, which is exactly why the radicalists twisting of it is so dangerous.

Your attitude towards the problem, and suggested remedy does nothing but bring us closer to a true holy war, when a properly measured response to isolate radical Islam has a legitimate chance at success and runs very little risk of escalation.

and please don't try to tell me that orthodox jews in large numbers would be strapping bombs on their chests or hijacking planes to protect their holy land. many of them were mortified at giving palestinians control over the WB and gaza- parts of holy "greater israel", yet they didn't strap bombs on themselves or hijack planes to kill thousands.
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Where are the large number of plane hijacking Jihadis? 4 is not a large number. Likewise, the number of suicide bombers in comparison with the amount of foreign jihadis in Iraq was incredibly small.

The WB & Gaza examples you provide are ridiculous, sharing very, very few similarities with a foreign power annexing Iraq. The differences aren't even worth discussing they're so blatant.
 
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Corey Haim dies of overdose at 38

Another one of our era gone. RIP Corey

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/03/10/2010-03-10_actor_corey_haim_dead_at_38_overdose_suspected_reports.html

Eighties teen idol Corey Haim died Wednesday morning of an apparent drug overdose, according to Los Angeles police.

The Canadian-born actor, who starred in "The Lost Boys" but was probably best known for his roles with fellow actor Corey Feldman, was 38.

He was found unresponsive at his Oakwood apartment around 3:30 a.m.,according to KTLA-TV. His mother was at the apartment at the time of his death.

The actor, who has struggled with drug addiction, was pronounced dead at Providence St. Joseph's Medical Center in Burbank.

Police were called to the hospital just before 4 a.m. to investigate his death.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2...overdose_suspected_reports.html#ixzz0hmc7RCDQ
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zeke said:
explain.
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to them, the "west" is a collection of "crusader states" with immoral, corrupt value systems that are anathema to islam. sex, drugs, rock and roll, the pursuit of profit and the abandonment of religious faith is against everything they stand for.

the US is the lynchpin of that whole system, because they rightly see it as the centre of a lot of that "corrupt" pop culture, and as the strongest military and economic power that underwrites the whole system. the "great satan" is the chief enemy. they are targeted repeatedly because they are the backbone of the west. that's why 9/11 happened. when the US took steps to drastically improve security, the "little satans" (which is often what israel is called but can probably also be applied to america's other western allies) like the UK and spain became easier targets. bin laden has talked repeatedly about targeting ALL the nations that support the US- including canada.

9/11 was an attack on the western way of life whether you choose to believe that or not. if you don't believe that you are just like the weak-kneed appeasers of the 1930s who just wanted to shrink and hide from a guy like hitler because it seemed easier to do that. every single person living in a western country who quietly or not so quietly cheered on or sympathized with 9/11 is a goddam hypocrite. they sit and enjoy the freedoms and benefits of western society while at the same time deriding it and siding with those who would destroy it.

this is why i have so much respect for tony blair. he was no ideological cousin of W, but he instantly and entirely grasped what 9/11 was and he acted accordingly.
 
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MindzEye said:
Where are the large number of plane hijacking Jihadis? 4 is not a large number. Likewise, the number of suicide bombers in comparison with the amount of foreign jihadis in Iraq was incredibly small.

The WB & Gaza examples you provide are ridiculous, sharing very, very few similarities with a foreign power annexing Iraq. The differences aren't even worth discussing they're so blatant.
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-this is so typical of those on the left who go to great lengths to minimize and apologize for any act of islamic terror. there were 20 people- not 4- plane hijacking jihadis who killed 3000 people that day. and they were backed by an extensive and well-financed group of sympathizers who planned the attack for years. there have been god knows how many other plots over the years that have been foiled that we've never heard about. and the problem of "foreign bomb-toting jihadis in iraq" is not some tiny little nuisance that can be dismissed so easily. thousands and thousands of military and civilian casualties have been caused by those motherf*ckers, and i submit that no effort should be spared to resist them and crush them.

-and the WB and gaza examples aren't "ridiculous" as much as you try to suggest they are. for religious jews ALL of greater israel is their holy land and there are many who are fanatically opposed to ever seeing it given over to arabs or muslims. the WB and gaza are now under the control of a "foreign" power- the palestinians- and one faction of that power- hamas- is fanatically dedicated to the destruction of israel. gaza being turned back over to the palestinans and turned into hamas-stan is abhorrent to many religious jews, yet none of them have strapped nailbombs to their chests and waded into a muslim market to kill as many arabs as they could.
 
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Yes, Blair acted accordingly...by plunging his country into a war against a country that had absolutely no connection to the 9/11 attacks, and that was not home to any factions of Al Quaeda until after the US/British invasion.
 
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theREALkoreaboy said:
to them, the "west" is a collection of "crusader states" with immoral, corrupt value systems that are anathema to islam. sex, drugs, rock and roll, the pursuit of profit and the abandonment of religious faith is against everything they stand for.

the US is the lynchpin of that whole system, because they rightly see it as the centre of a lot of that "corrupt" pop culture, and as the strongest military and economic power that underwrites the whole system. the "great satan" is the chief enemy. they are targeted repeatedly because they are the backbone of the west. that's why 9/11 happened. when the US took steps to drastically improve security, the "little satans" (which is often what israel is called but can probably also be applied to america's other western allies) like the UK and spain became easier targets. bin laden has talked repeatedly about targeting ALL the nations that support the US- including canada.

9/11 was an attack on the western way of life whether you choose to believe that or not. if you don't believe that you are just like the weak-kneed appeasers of the 1930s who just wanted to shrink and hide from a guy like hitler because it seemed easier to do that. every single person living in a western country who quietly or not so quietly cheered on or sympathized with 9/11 is a goddam hypocrite. they sit and enjoy the freedoms and benefits of western society while at the same time deriding it and siding with those who would destroy it.

this is why i have so much respect for tony blair. he was no ideological cousin of W, but he instantly and entirely grasped what 9/11 was and he acted accordingly.
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yes, dummy.

now explain why you said this:

we didn't have another major terrorist act in the following 7.5 years under W.
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When both England and Spain have been victims of major terrorist acts.
 
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did the US have another one? no. could we have expected W to prevent all terrorist attacks anywhere in the world? no. and please don't tell me that W was the cause of those terror attacks because there were islamic terror attacks before he came along and there continue to be after he's gone (just none of them successful in the US)
 
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holy shit.

You just finished lecturing me on how "we" referred to the western world, not just the U.S.

yes. i submit that they ARE part of "we". they are a part of the western civilization that has emerged over the past 2000 years that shares common values, common traditions, and common legal, moral, political, religious, and economic systems. the spanish and british train attacks were attacks on all of us. 9/11 was an attack on all of us.
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Stupid zeke. The terrorist attacks against Spain and Britain only count when they support the argument KB's making. When they don't, they no longer count. That's just obvious.
 
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Sucks to see foreigners yet again taking advantage of our kind nature to undertake this type of garbage:

A Toronto man has been suspended from York University after the National Post reported he was under police investigation over his controversial Internet postings.

Salman Hossain has been ordered to appear before a disciplinary panel and, in the meantime, he is not permitted to attend classes at the north Toronto university campus.

The Ontario Provincial Police said last week its hate crimes and extremism unit was investigating online writings by Mr. Hossain that make derogatory comments about Jews and call for a genocide against them.
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http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=2659909
 
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-this is so typical of those on the left who go to great lengths to minimize and apologize for any act of islamic terror.
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putting something into proper context isn't "minimizing" or "apologizing" for terror

there were 20 people- not 4- plane hijacking jihadis who killed 3000 people that day.
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Fair enough, my mistake

and they were backed by an extensive and well-financed group of sympathizers who planned the attack for years.
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Including of course, the former head of the Pakistani ISI

and the problem of "foreign bomb-toting jihadis in iraq" is not some tiny little nuisance that can be dismissed so easily. thousands and thousands of military and civilian casualties have been caused by those motherf*ckers, and i submit that no effort should be spared to resist them and crush them.
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Except for, of course, removing the foreign presence from their holy lands that is prompting them to be there.


-and the WB and gaza examples aren't "ridiculous" as much as you try to suggest they are. for religious jews ALL of greater israel is their holy land and there are many who are fanatically opposed to ever seeing it given over to arabs or muslims.
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No, sorry, it's still ridiculous.

the WB and gaza are now under the control of a "foreign" power- the palestinians-
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Well, if you want to call that control, feel free

and one faction of that power- hamas- is fanatically dedicated to the destruction of israel.
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You're obviously aware that high ranking Hamas members have tacitly accepted Israel's right to exist, right? They haven't changed their charter yet (mainly because they're hoping to get certain concessions.. a complete halt to new settlements among them, in exchange for the recognition) and there is still some infighting concerning it, but to say that they're fanatically dedicated to the destruction of Israel is ridiculous, inaccurate hyperbole at the least.

gaza being turned back over to the palestinans and turned into hamas-stan is abhorrent to many religious jews, yet none of them have strapped nailbombs to their chests and waded into a muslim market to kill as many arabs as they could.
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Well, the orthodox jews have something that foreign fighters in Iraq simply didn't have that makes a massive difference. Orthodox jews are a huge domestic voting block in Israel and have been getting a lot of what they want. They have significant domestic political power, as can be seen in the continuing Israeli push to settle East Jerusalem against international and in large numbers, even domestic disapproval

The differences are blatant, completely blatant but it shouldn't surprise me that you can't tell the difference, you've never shown an ability to handle nuance.
 
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1. 9/11 was an attack specifically targeted on the US, but in effect it was really an attack on western society

2. following 9/11, systems were put in place and steps were taken to reduce the likelihood that events like that would happen in the future. those steps are absolutely not perfect and its pretty likely we will see another major attack. but it is undeniable that other attacks were planned between 9/11 and today, and that those attacks were prevented by the measures adopted by W. measures that, BTW, hopeychange has tacitly agreed WORK, because he has refused to repeal them to a large extent.
 
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that is not what you were arguing.

you were arguing that the influx of terrorists into Iraq was the reason why there were no terrorist attacks on the western world.

what you called "we".

but of course, not only were there major attacks on Britain and Spain, but a number of major attempts against the US that were caught.

So your silly theory was wrong every which way you tried it.

This is why I told you to just delete your stupid post right away.

You should ahve listened, as I was just trying to help.
 
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