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OT: The News Thread

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You are honestly trying to make an argument that the institution which persecuted countless scientists, humanists, and scholars for hundreds of years when their findings and discoveries came into conflict with the established Church doctrine (such as Copernicus and Galileo's realizations on the physical nature of the Earth within the celestial universe) was a major positive facilitator of knowledge in Western civilization. The cloistered, incredibly hierarchical institution that killed hundreds of thousands of people in purges and religious crusades, including attacking the most enlightened civilization at the time over eleven separate attempts to conquer the Middle East's Islamic influence. You are trying to argue that corrupt body actually was responsible for Western civilization's development more than secular humanists and Protestant ideals? That's absolutely ridiculous. How often do you attend mass anyways?
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
And throughout most of that Christian history European societies were mired in the Dark Ages, one of the most repressive periods of intellectual dis-enlightenment and ignorance in the history of human civilization. It was upon embracing secular principles and Italian humanism during the late fourteenth century that the Renaissance began to flourish, which in turn allowed for Martin Luther to foster the first mass rejections of Rome's doctrine, which of course allowed for the expansion of knowledge with the introduction of literacy to greater numbers of European citizens as a result of the printing press, which fostered in the whole codified practices and ideological bases upon which all of Western society is predicated on today. The RCC did their best to keep the world's people in the dark but they thankfully failed.
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printing press needs more credit
 
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you are viewing the distant history of an institution through 21st century glasses. there is NO institution that a modern observer could point to before, say, 1600 that any of us could identify as "liberal" or "enlightened".

of all the world's modern societies that emerged from those pre-1600s institutions, it is irrefutable that the most "liberal" and "enlightened" ones came from christian and catholic traditions. EVERYONE persecuted everyone else whenever they got the chance 400+ years ago. the societies that figured out how to separate political from religious power and to bestow individuals with human rights as we recognize them today are without question mostly christian/catholic societies.
 
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Read:

Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making. Like other types of humanism, secular humanism is a life stance that focuses on the way human beings can lead good, happy and functional lives.

The term "secular humanism" was coined in the 20th century, and was adopted by non-religious humanists in order to make a clear distinction from "religious humanism". Secular humanism is also called "scientific humanism". Biologist E. O. Wilson claimed it to be "the only worldview compatible with science's growing knowledge of the real world and the laws of nature".
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Errrr... I'm not sure what the bombing of an RBC branch has to do with anything we've been talking about here.
 
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Royal = the Queen = Anglican = Protestant = Anti-Catholic = Iran = Human Secularists = Bad
 
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People who don't go believe in jebus must be bad people. right kb, right!

Idiot
 
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theREALkoreaboy said:
a learned person simply cannot make a rational and good-faith argument that the catholic church wasn't a major formative influence for western civilization.

you are an anti-religious bigot. its really that simple.
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Oh, it was an influence alright...the Catholic Church was probably the biggest single factor that ushered Europe into the dark ages, and kept them there for centuries with their fanatical anti-scientific and anti-rational persecution. So, they've got that on their resume, to go along with being quite likely the most evil organization in human history.
 
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LeafGm said:
Oh, it was an influence alright...the Catholic Church was probably the biggest single factor that ushered Europe into the dark ages, and kept them there for centuries with their fanatical anti-scientific and anti-rational persecution. So, they've got that on their resume, to go along with being quite likely the most evil organization in human history.
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perhaps you have never heard of the Obama Administration
 
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two threads of this nonsense going....why do you guys bother? he is clearly just pushing buttons....no one can really be that stubborn.
 
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theREALkoreaboy said:
a learned person simply cannot make a rational and good-faith argument that the catholic church wasn't a major formative influence for western civilization.

you are an anti-religious bigot. its really that simple.
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you don't know history.

catholicism came in at the heights of western civilization - the democratic, scientific Roman Empire - and brought it all the way down to the feudal, mystical Dark Ages.

As humanity still struggled to move forward, with such grand discoveries as Astronomy and Evolution and Biology, the catholic church did nothing but impede progress at every step.

Only after casting aside the cloak of religious mysticism did western civilization finally experience the Renaissance, getting it back on track and moving forward.

read a dang book.
 
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theREALkoreaboy said:
a learned person simply cannot make a rational and good-faith argument that the catholic church wasn't a major formative influence for western civilization.
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The above quote is accurate, you're just getting confused by the distinction between being an influence, and being a good influence.
 
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For example....Hitler was a big influence on 20th century Europe, a century in which European standard of living came forward in leaps in bounds.

Therefore, Hitler = Good.


I'm sorry that I godwin'd the shit, but that's the exact logic he's using. It's ****ing mystifying.
 
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MindzEye said:
For example....Hitler was a big influence on 20th century Europe, a century in which European standard of living came forward in leaps in bounds.

Therefore, Hitler = Good.


I'm sorry that I godwin'd the shit, but that's the exact logic he's using. It's ****ing mystifying.
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Wow, you just summed it up perfectly. :thumbsup(22):
 
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He's also not-so-subtly shifted the argument about the church to something much more general and vague than post 1233, which is the one I responded to.

love the "learned person" remarks from somebody who clearly doesn't have a grasp of even the most basic history. kb is a 10th-dan black belt in self-referential irony.
 
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