OT: The News Thread
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Volcanologist
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It's not a debate.
It's not a debate.
axlsalinger
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Actually, it's a lot like a debate between this face and this boxing glove.
Actually, it's a lot like a debate between this face and this boxing glove.
theREALkoreaboy
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yup, you guys sure got me. i was waaaaaaaay off base there, suggesting that most of the world's truly free and liberal democracies are found in christian countries. man, what WAS i thinking there?!
yup, you guys sure got me. i was waaaaaaaay off base there, suggesting that most of the world's truly free and liberal democracies are found in christian countries. man, what WAS i thinking there?!
JaysCyYoung
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Christian traditions (of the Protestant variety in most instances)? Yes. Catholic traditions? **** no. There isn't a single more corrupt or backwards institution in the world today or historically than the Roman Catholic Church.
Christian traditions (of the Protestant variety in most instances)? Yes. Catholic traditions? **** no. There isn't a single more corrupt or backwards institution in the world today or historically than the Roman Catholic Church.
acescanuck
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And I'm not sure if you can find another organization with more blood on it's hands.
And I'm not sure if you can find another organization with more blood on it's hands.
hockeylover
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http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/811422--facebook-banned-in-pakistan?bn=1
LAHORE, PAKISTAN—Pakistan’s government ordered Internet service providers to block Facebook on Wednesday amid anger over a page that encourages users to post images of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad.
The page on the social networking site has generated criticism in Pakistan and elsewhere because Islam prohibits any images of the prophet. The government took action after a group of Islamic lawyers won a court order Wednesday requiring officials to block Facebook until May 31.
By Wednesday evening, access to the site was sporadic, apparently because Internet providers were implementing the order.
The Facebook page at the centre of the dispute — “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!” — encourages users to post images of the prophet on May 20 to protest threats made by a radical Muslim group against the creators of “South Park” for depicting Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode earlier this year.
In the southern city of Karachi, some 2,000 female students rallied demanding that Facebook be banned for tolerating the controversial web page. Several dozen male students held a rally nearby, with some holding signs that urged Islamic holy war against those who blaspheme the prophet.
“We are not trying to slander the average Muslim,” said the information section of the Facebook page, which was still accessible Wednesday morning. “We simply want to show the extremists that threaten to harm people because of their Mohammad depictions that we’re not afraid of them. That they can’t take away our right to freedom of speech by trying to scare us into silence.”
A series of cartoons of the prophet published in a Danish newspaper in 2005 sparked violent protests by Muslims around the world, including Pakistan, and death threats against the cartoonists.
In an attempt to respond to public anger over the Facebook controversy, the Pakistani government ordered Internet service providers in the country to block the page Tuesday, said Khurram Ali, a spokesman for the Pakistan Telecommunications Authority, which regulates the telecommunications network in the country.
But the Islamic Lawyers Forum asked the Lahore High Court on Wednesday to order the government to fully block Facebook because the site had allowed the page to be posted in the first place, said the deputy attorney general of Punjab province, Naveed Inayat Malik.
The court complied with the request and ordered the government to block the site until the end of May, Malik said.
Lawyers outside the courtroom hailed the ruling, chanting “down with Facebook.”
Later in the day, the Pakistan Telecommunications Authority ordered all Internet service providers to block Facebook, it said in a press release.
It remains to be seen how successful the move will be at keeping people within Pakistan from accessing the site. Some countries, such as China, permanently ban Facebook. But citizens often have little trouble working their way around the ban using proxy servers and other means.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/811422--facebook-banned-in-pakistan?bn=1
LAHORE, PAKISTAN—Pakistan’s government ordered Internet service providers to block Facebook on Wednesday amid anger over a page that encourages users to post images of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad.
The page on the social networking site has generated criticism in Pakistan and elsewhere because Islam prohibits any images of the prophet. The government took action after a group of Islamic lawyers won a court order Wednesday requiring officials to block Facebook until May 31.
By Wednesday evening, access to the site was sporadic, apparently because Internet providers were implementing the order.
The Facebook page at the centre of the dispute — “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!” — encourages users to post images of the prophet on May 20 to protest threats made by a radical Muslim group against the creators of “South Park” for depicting Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode earlier this year.
In the southern city of Karachi, some 2,000 female students rallied demanding that Facebook be banned for tolerating the controversial web page. Several dozen male students held a rally nearby, with some holding signs that urged Islamic holy war against those who blaspheme the prophet.
“We are not trying to slander the average Muslim,” said the information section of the Facebook page, which was still accessible Wednesday morning. “We simply want to show the extremists that threaten to harm people because of their Mohammad depictions that we’re not afraid of them. That they can’t take away our right to freedom of speech by trying to scare us into silence.”
A series of cartoons of the prophet published in a Danish newspaper in 2005 sparked violent protests by Muslims around the world, including Pakistan, and death threats against the cartoonists.
In an attempt to respond to public anger over the Facebook controversy, the Pakistani government ordered Internet service providers in the country to block the page Tuesday, said Khurram Ali, a spokesman for the Pakistan Telecommunications Authority, which regulates the telecommunications network in the country.
But the Islamic Lawyers Forum asked the Lahore High Court on Wednesday to order the government to fully block Facebook because the site had allowed the page to be posted in the first place, said the deputy attorney general of Punjab province, Naveed Inayat Malik.
The court complied with the request and ordered the government to block the site until the end of May, Malik said.
Lawyers outside the courtroom hailed the ruling, chanting “down with Facebook.”
Later in the day, the Pakistan Telecommunications Authority ordered all Internet service providers to block Facebook, it said in a press release.
It remains to be seen how successful the move will be at keeping people within Pakistan from accessing the site. Some countries, such as China, permanently ban Facebook. But citizens often have little trouble working their way around the ban using proxy servers and other means.
theREALkoreaboy
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"christianity" started approx. 1900 years ago. "protestantism" started 500 years ago. almost 75% of "christian" history had only the catholic church. it is therefore absolutely ridiculous for you to suggest that it was only the "protestant" component that produced western civilization and not the "catholic" component. your statement is absurd.
"christianity" started approx. 1900 years ago. "protestantism" started 500 years ago. almost 75% of "christian" history had only the catholic church. it is therefore absolutely ridiculous for you to suggest that it was only the "protestant" component that produced western civilization and not the "catholic" component. your statement is absurd.
JaysCyYoung
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And throughout most of that Christian history European societies were mired in the Dark Ages, one of the most repressive periods of intellectual dis-enlightenment and ignorance in the history of human civilization. It was upon embracing secular principles and Italian humanism during the late fourteenth century that the Renaissance began to flourish, which in turn allowed for Martin Luther to foster the first mass rejections of Rome's doctrine, which of course allowed for the expansion of knowledge with the introduction of literacy to greater numbers of European citizens as a result of the printing press, which fostered in the whole codified practices and ideological bases upon which all of Western society is predicated on today. The RCC did their best to keep the world's people in the dark but they thankfully failed.
And throughout most of that Christian history European societies were mired in the Dark Ages, one of the most repressive periods of intellectual dis-enlightenment and ignorance in the history of human civilization. It was upon embracing secular principles and Italian humanism during the late fourteenth century that the Renaissance began to flourish, which in turn allowed for Martin Luther to foster the first mass rejections of Rome's doctrine, which of course allowed for the expansion of knowledge with the introduction of literacy to greater numbers of European citizens as a result of the printing press, which fostered in the whole codified practices and ideological bases upon which all of Western society is predicated on today. The RCC did their best to keep the world's people in the dark but they thankfully failed.
JaysCyYoung
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It's an absolute tragedy of epic proportions how much the Islamic world has stagnated since the sacking of Baghdad by the Mongols in the early thirteenth century. That act right there was comparable to the 1994 strike's impact on baseball's popularity in Canada.
It's an absolute tragedy of epic proportions how much the Islamic world has stagnated since the sacking of Baghdad by the Mongols in the early thirteenth century. That act right there was comparable to the 1994 strike's impact on baseball's popularity in Canada.
theREALkoreaboy
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the renaissance began in the 15th century BEFORE protestantism even started. gutenburg invented his printing press in the first half of the 15th century, again, well before protestantism. and one of the very first, if not THE first things he used his printing press to print was??-
the catholic bible.
to suggest the chruch conspired to keep everyone in the dark is ridiculous. pretty much the only educated people during the "dark ages" were monks, the only truly functioning institution that kept europe together during that time was the church, the language of diplomacy and science was latin- the language of the church, and most of the advanced knowledge that survived from antiquity was kept and translated by priests and monks. and don't try to suggest that augustine and aquinas aren't crucial components of western society.
a learned person simply cannot make a good-faith argument that the catholic church wasn't a major precipitating factor of western civilization. if you honestly believe that you are stupid, or you have an anti-religious agenda.
the renaissance began in the 15th century BEFORE protestantism even started. gutenburg invented his printing press in the first half of the 15th century, again, well before protestantism. and one of the very first, if not THE first things he used his printing press to print was??-
the catholic bible.
to suggest the chruch conspired to keep everyone in the dark is ridiculous. pretty much the only educated people during the "dark ages" were monks, the only truly functioning institution that kept europe together during that time was the church, the language of diplomacy and science was latin- the language of the church, and most of the advanced knowledge that survived from antiquity was kept and translated by priests and monks. and don't try to suggest that augustine and aquinas aren't crucial components of western society.
a learned person simply cannot make a good-faith argument that the catholic church wasn't a major precipitating factor of western civilization. if you honestly believe that you are stupid, or you have an anti-religious agenda.
uncus
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which in turn allowed for Martin Luther to foster the first mass rejections of Rome's doctrine, which of course allowed for the expansion of knowledge with the introduction of literacy to greater numbers of European citizens as a result of the printing press, which fostered in the whole codified practices and ideological bases upon which all of Western society is predicated on today. The RCC did their best to keep the world's people in the dark but they thankfully failed.
Just curious ... but is this yours?
I agree with your comments, especially "the expansion of knowledge with the introduction of literacy "
which in turn allowed for Martin Luther to foster the first mass rejections of Rome's doctrine, which of course allowed for the expansion of knowledge with the introduction of literacy to greater numbers of European citizens as a result of the printing press, which fostered in the whole codified practices and ideological bases upon which all of Western society is predicated on today. The RCC did their best to keep the world's people in the dark but they thankfully failed.
Just curious ... but is this yours?
I agree with your comments, especially "the expansion of knowledge with the introduction of literacy "
JaysCyYoung
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1.) You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please refrain from attempting a rational discussion on this aspect of history.
2.) Yes, I do have objections to the most corrupt, bloodstained organization in the history of mankind. But that does not make me either "stupid" or "anti-religious." Red herrings aren't an argument and neither are strawmen.
1.) You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Please refrain from attempting a rational discussion on this aspect of history.
2.) Yes, I do have objections to the most corrupt, bloodstained organization in the history of mankind. But that does not make me either "stupid" or "anti-religious." Red herrings aren't an argument and neither are strawmen.
JaysCyYoung
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theREALkoreaboy
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a learned person simply cannot make a rational and good-faith argument that the catholic church wasn't a major formative influence for western civilization.
you are an anti-religious bigot. its really that simple.
a learned person simply cannot make a rational and good-faith argument that the catholic church wasn't a major formative influence for western civilization.
you are an anti-religious bigot. its really that simple.