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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

Van Vleet? Mindz? Zeke? How good is this guy?

Eye only? Cause that is all I have in sports? This guy is a fuckin leader.

And quite a believer in himself. Bought a big time celebration for him to get drafted. Paid for the entire deal and didn't get drafted.

THAT, THAT is what you want in a guy, a player, someone who HATES to lose.

These Raps, wow. Still exciting. Van Vleet, Lowry, Siakim, Gasol, still a lotta shit to like on this team.

But of course, I still miss Kawhi, a lot. Damn that guy was/is great.
 
FVV is pretty much the perfect "3rd option" for a contender. If he's your best player, you're a bad team. If he's your 2nd best player, you're a pretty good team. 3rd though? You're probably an elite team. Ice in his veins, not afraid of taking big shots. Good defender (has one of the highest pass deflection rates in the league, and with maybe a 6'2 wingspan, that's impressive as fuck).

I'm entirely good with a 4/80 type extension for him.
 
Lowe gets it:

Lowe's NBA All-Stars: 24 players plus the biggest debates

Which young players are All-Star worthy and which just miss the cut?
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And so: We honor Lowry, despite 11 missed games and so-so shooting by his standards. He is a two-way star. He brings zero fit issues. He is as malleable as any perimeter player. Lowry is averaging 20 points (four more than Simmons) and six free throws per game after making way last season for Kawhi Leonard, and he has not sacrificed anything as a passer or defender.

Lowry has made up for some of those missed games by playing a ton; he is tied with James Harden for the league lead in minutes per game.

Lowry is just a brilliant, winning player. Every second he is on the floor, he is doing the exact right thing -- half-rotations on defense, extra passes, impromptu screens, little shifts along the arc to open up driving lanes, late switches, tipped rebounds. Because he is a threat everywhere -- as a shooter, cutter and quick-twitch passer -- defenses follow every one of those moves. When eyeballs fixate on Lowry, other Raptors slip into the void.

The guy is a basketball algorithm come to life.
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zeke said:
deserves to be an all-star this year, imo
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I don't know about that man. I have a hard time putting him ahead of Lowry, Kemba, or Simmons at the PG. Middleton has been excellent in Milwaukee, Jimmy Buckets, Beal and Lavine I have a hard time blaming for being on junk teams.

Yeah, FVV isn't far from the quality of that group, but I don't see him in it.
 
Who is out there that is an actual difference maker that Masai can target? Pretty much another Kawhi without being Kawhi. LOL.

F*cking wish he just stayed with us. This team> the Clips even with George.
 
Leafin' said:
Who is out there that is an actual difference maker that Masai can target? Pretty much another Kawhi without being Kawhi. LOL.

F*cking wish he just stayed with us. This team> the Clips even with George.
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The Clippers without Kawhi and PG lost to Atlanta without Trey last night.

Let that sink in. Atlanta with Trey is the worst team in the league. Without Trey they're a G-League contender....and I'm kind of not kidding about that. Remove Trey and Atlanta has maybe 4 guys that belong in a NBA rotation, and they're bottom of the rotation guys. According to VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) they have 4 guys not named Trey that are better than replacement level. To put that in perspective, our 11th man according to VORP is Patrick McCaw and he would be 6th on the Hawks by VORP (including Trey). Their 2nd best player according to BPM would be our 11th best.

They're really, really bad....but they beat the supporting cast of what is supposed to be a title contender last night.
 
MindzEye said:
I don't know about that man. I have a hard time putting him ahead of Lowry, Kemba, or Simmons at the PG. Middleton has been excellent in Milwaukee, Jimmy Buckets, Beal and Lavine I have a hard time blaming for being on junk teams.

Yeah, FVV isn't far from the quality of that group, but I don't see him in it.
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eh, i think less of zero-D chuckers on awful teams than you do.
 
zeke said:
eh, i think less of zero-D chuckers on awful teams than you do.
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Yeah, but you've always undervalued the difficulty in being a #1 option in an offence. It's funny that you're such a QoC whore in hockey (rightfully so), but that you throw it out the window when evaluating basketball players who teams design their entire defensive schemes around stopping.
 
as far as being "chuckers" are concerned.

True Shooting:

Lavine: .571%
Beal: .561%
Fred: .549%

They're on bad teams, nobody else should be taking those shots if they're making at those rates.
 
If the Raptors were located in California, he would have resigned, no brainer.

But look at the guys house in California, its tasteful, huge and amazing.

As soon as I discovered he had a spread like that, I should have gone 7 figures in, on him NOT resigning, But the chicken feathers got to me.

I think he loved it here, a lot.

And I loved what he did for this city and franchise. I still watch that shot against Philly once a month. Still gives me goose bumps. Great times.

Still a ton of talent on this team. Ton of it. Might still be interesting come playoff time. But yeah, no Kawhi on the team, heck, there are only three or four Kawhi's out there.

And this coming from a guy who was an awful basketball player, and knows very little about it. LOL

But I love the Raptors, we actually have had some incredible basketball players play for us over the years. I loved Damon. VanVleet reminds me of him, quite a bit.
 
When someone mentions chuckers on bad teams, I always think of Mike James/ 2006 Raptors.
 
Kyle Lowry should be the first athlete with a personal statue here.

And zeke used to complain that Calderon was getting minutes taken by him.
 
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