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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

zeke said:
ye olde 3pt shooting Point Guard "traditional C".
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Jokic shoots 2 3's a game, settle down. Lots of centre's over the last few decades have shot 3's.

and yeah, he's a marvelous passer but we've seen awesome passing bigs in the past as well. The game has changed in ways that allow for Jokic to run a spacing offence from up top though. Young Marc Gasol would have feasted in today's NBA as well (not to Joker's degree of course, but he still easily could have been a 6-7 dime a night centre) .

Bill Walton, David Robinson, the other Sabonis....shit Wilt was dropping 7-8 a game for a stretch in his career.

There's nothing untraditional about being big and being able to pass. What's changed is the way the game is played to allow it to be exploited at this level.
 
Gabe Vincent trying to make this a series.

5 minutes of the Nuggets shooters not sucking dick turns this into an insurmountable series lead though. Let Miami up off of the mat and you might be in trouble.
 
MindzEye said:
Jokic shoots 2 3's a game, settle down. Lots of centre's over the last few decades have shot 3's.

and yeah, he's a marvelous passer but we've seen awesome passing bigs in the past as well. The game has changed in ways that allow for Jokic to run a spacing offence from up top though. Young Marc Gasol would have feasted in today's NBA as well (not to Joker's degree of course, but he still easily could have been a 6-7 dime a night centre) .

Bill Walton, David Robinson, the other Sabonis....shit Wilt was dropping 7-8 a game for a stretch in his career.

There's nothing untraditional about being big and being able to pass. What's changed is the way the game is played to allow it to be exploited at this level.
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Come on man. Don't try to call Jokic a "traditional c". That's ridiculous.
 
zeke said:
Come on man. Don't try to call Jokic a "traditional c". That's ridiculous.
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He's big, slow, white, rebounds like a motherfucker and takes like 75% of his shots from within 10 feet of the rim.

But he passes gud so he's something different instead of simply being proof that passing centres are also part of the traditional position.

Joker has 1 season with assists numbers higher than Wilt's career best. You yourself used him as proof that "traditional centres" couldn't win as early as last fucking season.
 
MindzEye said:
He's big, slow, white, rebounds like a motherfucker and takes like 75% of his shots from within 10 feet of the rim.

But he passes gud so he's something different instead of simply being proof that passing centres are also part of the traditional position.

Joker has 1 season with assists numbers higher than Wilt's career best. You yourself used him as proof that "traditional centres" couldn't win as early as last fucking season.
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cringey
 
This is seriously your weirdest running take

It's like saying that Lebron isn't a "traditional" small forward because he's also a legendary passer on top of doing all of the other things a small forward does traditionally.

You have some super weird misconceptions about what makes up a "traditional centre"

Again, Wilt fucking Chamberlain was doing all of the things Jokic does today, except while being able to outrun everyone on the court and touch the top of the fucking backboard. He's not simply considered a "traditional centre" but the prototype centre that all others after are compared to.
 
It's such a silly conversation, all because you refuse to admit that the Raptors were not actual geniuses for having a big wing player at the centre spot.
 
You're so obsessed with being right that you've let yourself redefine "traditional C" as nothing other than "big". Trying to argue that a unicorn like Jokic (finally) getting to the finals and still maybe losing to the smallest team in the league somehow justifies your insistence that the raps needed some prototype "traditional C" like fucking jakob fucking poeltl is hilarious.

And no, Wilt couldn't shoot and dribble and playmake from the perimeter like Jokic does. And hell, Jokic barely even posts up.

but again, you know all this.
 
MindzEye said:
He's big, slow, white, rebounds like a motherfucker and takes like 75% of his shots from within 10 feet of the rim.

But he passes gud so he's something different instead of simply being proof that passing centres are also part of the traditional position.

Joker has 1 season with assists numbers higher than Wilt's career best. You yourself used him as proof that "traditional centres" couldn't win as early as last fucking season.
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Also one highest IQ`s of all time
 
MindzEye said:
Jokic shoots 2 3's a game, settle down. Lots of centre's over the last few decades have shot 3's.

and yeah, he's a marvelous passer but we've seen awesome passing bigs in the past as well. The game has changed in ways that allow for Jokic to run a spacing offence from up top though. Young Marc Gasol would have feasted in today's NBA as well (not to Joker's degree of course, but he still easily could have been a 6-7 dime a night centre) .

Bill Walton, David Robinson, the other Sabonis....shit Wilt was dropping 7-8 a game for a stretch in his career.

There's nothing untraditional about being big and being able to pass. What's changed is the way the game is played to allow it to be exploited at this level.
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…a prime Arvydas Sabonis that comes over much earlier. 😮‍💨
 
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